Sep 12 2008Holly Madison leaves Hugh Hefner - for Criss Angel
Holly Madison has officially left the Playboy Mansion for magician Criss Angel and his one million handcuff necklaces. Hugh Hefner, who's now down a girlfriend, is reportedly cool with the whole thing. It's not like he doesn't have spares. The Dirty reports:
Holly Madison moves out of the Playboy Mansion because she is sleeping with Criss Angel.... according to inside source though Hef is totally fine with it.
Holly Madison was really working her way into everything (will) at Playboy even choosing Playmates for the magazine. Now “The Girls Next Door” Producers are scrambling on how they are going to finish the show with Holly Madison- Ex-Girl Next Door.
I guess Holly was stuck between a cock and a not hard place. Hi OH! But, in all seriousness, folks, talk to your kids about Criss Angel. Because a douche is a terrible thing to be.
The More You Know...

Reader Comments
1. Idaho - September 12, 2008 11:38 AM
EWWWW....Criss Angel is such a man ho
2. Melissa - September 12, 2008 11:38 AM
first
3. LL - September 12, 2008 11:39 AM
Man, she's got shitty taste in men. From her great grandpa to the biggest douche in all the land.
4. lucia - September 12, 2008 11:39 AM
duuude
her booobs in the first picture! WTF!
5. Mia - September 12, 2008 11:41 AM
I think he is an improvement from Hef. Hef may be rich but it seems like she was not getting much from Hef because he controlled all the money. I'm sure she is glad to not have to look into Hef's prune face anymore or wait for the Viagra to kick in.
6. dragon43078 - September 12, 2008 11:42 AM
I always thought she was the ugly one of the 3. She looks too old to still be associated with Playboy. She wanted to marry Hef and wait for him to die to get all the money. I guess she would not wait to get her hands on some cash.
When you watch The Girls Next Door, you can see she is a coniving bitch who wants it all for herself.
7. havoc - September 12, 2008 11:44 AM
Wow, a goldigger moves from one rich guy to another.
Shocking.
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8. simplicity - September 12, 2008 11:46 AM
funny..
I always thought she was the prettiest
The other two look like trailer trash
9. the old arcade - September 12, 2008 11:46 AM
dunno why, i know support Criss Angel.
http://theoldarcade.blogspot.com
10. elmer the fudd - September 12, 2008 11:48 AM
Fish - great line " stuck between a cock and a NOT hard place". Also, what money- Playboy is busted.
11. Dancer - September 12, 2008 11:53 AM
No way... she is leaving the old wrinkley guy for a young supple one.
I never saw this coming.
12. Al Bundy - September 12, 2008 11:54 AM
She must be pretty tight considering she hasn't had a hard cock in some time.
13. ME - September 12, 2008 11:57 AM
Sorry Holly.....Criss can't make all those wild nights with the old man and Viagra dissapear....
14. Valtrex Exec - September 12, 2008 11:57 AM
Seriously Criss Angel? Of course I'm sure she will fit in nicely with that douchebag. I'm so sad Girls Next Door is worried about what to do, it really was top notch TV. :(
15. john - September 12, 2008 12:02 PM
I guess she got tired of waiting for the old guy to die
16. haroof - September 12, 2008 12:10 PM
I can't believe the amount of high quality poon Angel accumulates.
Amazing.
17. ph7 - September 12, 2008 12:10 PM
Hef just steps out of his bedroom and says "NEXT!"
18. Barak Obama - September 12, 2008 12:26 PM
It's not like Hef will miss the sex. There are plenty of young vaginas lineing up to sleep with him.
19. a reader - September 12, 2008 12:26 PM
so if Hef dies, who gets his money?
20. Learn To Sell Porn and Make Money - September 12, 2008 12:26 PM
she went from old loser to young loser.
21. runnergal - September 12, 2008 12:33 PM
Wow. First she's having sex with a man old enough to be her grandpa and now she is having sex with a guy who probably has a lot of sexual diseases. She is not too wise with the men.
22. - September 12, 2008 12:33 PM
Guess her contract ran out.
23. venomhed - September 12, 2008 12:34 PM
I love how AMERICAN WOMEN always act like men exploit women. Whether its in porno, Victoria Secret ads, or marriage.
Case in point, this article. For any woman, or man, to think that Heff exploited this American Cunt is an asshole. Women exploit men more than the other way around, and women exploit women.
Take a look at all these model mags. Look at who the photographer is, the editor, WOMEN!
So fuck all women. Don't get married, its a death trap that favors women. Also when you get married, women stop trying. Date forever, use them.
24. Hugh Hefner's Scrotum (TM) - September 12, 2008 12:34 PM
Her eyes are soulless.
25. shanana - September 12, 2008 12:38 PM
Hugh Hefner is the most disgusting, reptilian, decrepit, and downright pitiful specimen of humanity that I have ever seen on tv.
That show is beyond creepy and he is taking advantage of those girls' desire for fame. He picks girls that are from dysfunctional backgrounds (look at the whorish way their mothers and grandmothers fawn over Hefner) and molds them into what he wants them to be.
He is beyond repulsive, and good for Holly to get out.
.
26. hootie - September 12, 2008 12:39 PM
It's funny how these sluts can call men pigs when they go around screwing guys for money. Hugh Hefner is like 100 years old and looks like a wet towel. The old dude probably wears diapers and needs a double dose of viagra just to get that shriveled old worm to wake up.
27. ally - September 12, 2008 12:41 PM
I think out of Hugh and Angel, I'd have to pick Hugh...he's the less creepy one...and I never thought I could say that about the Hef...
28. rough daddy - September 12, 2008 12:42 PM
Damn that talentless douchy douche is doing damage, didnt he knock up minie driver?
29. JM - September 12, 2008 12:46 PM
Holly posted a message on her official myspace page saying it is not true!
You can read about it here: http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=29472248&blogID=430179645
30. Dar - September 12, 2008 12:49 PM
Way to go, Holly! Keep this up, and after a while when people talk about the "Playmate with the hot bod and empty head who f**ked up her life", they'll mean you instead of Anna Nicole!
31. Dar - September 12, 2008 12:53 PM
JM -- Thanks for the link. I retract my previous comment (#30).
I'm so relieved Holly's staying with her 80YO pimp instead of shacking up with some freaky douchebag who wears more makeup and jewelry than she does. It's like a fairy tale ending! *sniff*
32. Flip - September 12, 2008 1:08 PM
Man, if those two lovebirds can't make it, what hope is there for the rest of us? I weep for the future.
33. 4green20 - September 12, 2008 1:10 PM
OmG!!! Chris Angel is evil! I can't even stand to look at him he is so dirty!
34. FRIST!!! - September 12, 2008 1:12 PM
Can't tell if she's pretty or ugly, depends on the angle.
I bet Criss Angel would be a wild ride.
I gotta get off these meds..
35. dude - September 12, 2008 1:13 PM
Hef always has the nicest women that money can buy.
Notice I didn't call them ladies.
Cuz they're vapid whores. ZING!
36. minerva - September 12, 2008 1:13 PM
EW gross... I much rather sit at the Playboy Mansion pretending to have sex with Hugh Heffner than having to blow Criss angel...
37. observant.as.hell - September 12, 2008 1:14 PM
Spectacularly hideous breasts...really.
38. aschleigh - September 12, 2008 1:14 PM
Good for her, who wants a 70 year old lech with 5 other girlfriends? Hugh will just replace her . She seems to have ambition, maybe she wants to actually be loved and not used .
39. Stroker - September 12, 2008 1:17 PM
No doubt she saw that internet pic of Angel's 12' long ball sack and has to have some.
40. pistolita - September 12, 2008 1:20 PM
i totally agree with #24!!
everytime i see her face, i wonder "what's missing?"... it's her dead eyes.
41. pistolita - September 12, 2008 1:21 PM
PLUS, her eyebrows point straight DOWN after the arch... looks weird...
42. bakinmycake - September 12, 2008 1:23 PM
her face has more craters than the moon.....gobs of spackle and some toner and voila!!! a model.....i might hump her face
43. Mick - September 12, 2008 1:34 PM
This can't be true.
44. CAnton4 - September 12, 2008 1:44 PM
Anything to not get a fucking job!!!
45. Deacon Jones - September 12, 2008 1:46 PM
I give them 3 months top, if that.
As much as I hate Cris Angel, he's been fucking his brains out all over Vegas. Once he realizes what a lifeless fuck she is, on top of her being high maintenance, she's fucking gone.
46. Lipstick-on Apig - September 12, 2008 1:48 PM
@ # 30 : Holly was never a Playmate. She was a Cyber Girl for about 10 minutes before they took her pics down.
I'm just wondering of she's going to keep her West Coast Photo Editor gig.
47. Jen - September 12, 2008 1:56 PM
This is a rumor, check her myspace. It took me an entire 2 seconds of fact checking to find that out. You should try it sometime.
48. SATAN - September 12, 2008 1:56 PM
i would giddily drown myself in all of her juices, even the slight oil slick on her forehead in the first pic
49. Racer X - September 12, 2008 2:06 PM
No talent slore.
50. Tom Leykis - September 12, 2008 2:09 PM
Bitter and angry women hate Hef because he proves that a successful man can always get hot young women, no matter how old and "prune face" he is. Hef is living proof that the "marry me or you'll end up old and alone" scare tactics that women use on their boyfriends are a bunch of crap. It's the women who are afraid of ending up old and alone, and no wonder, but men don't have to worry as much. Men should just avoid marriage and concentrate on becoming successful, and the Hollys and Bridgets and Kendras of the world will continue to offer their services.
51. Deacon Jones - September 12, 2008 2:10 PM
Wow Jen, we're like, uhhh, totally sorry.
52. Cdub - September 12, 2008 2:17 PM
Long time reader, first time commenter, but that Hi-OH and "The More You Know" shout out made me pee my pants at work. Very well done.
53. rumor mill - September 12, 2008 2:21 PM
I agree that this is a rumor.
Just because the article says it's "official" doesn't mean anything.
Who is the source?
Also, just because Holly denies something, doesn't mean it isn't true.
She probably has contracts she is obligated to uphold being on a tv show, and probably can't talk about her relationship issues if they affect viewership.
54. cecil - September 12, 2008 2:29 PM
50- If you got out into the real world more, you'd see that what you are saying applies to about 3% of the population of America. Most of us marry people similar in age and actually work hard at relationships, and that's better than being an empty misogynistic asshole.
55. edamame - September 12, 2008 2:31 PM
Hey, she's from Alaska and she loves old guys....McCain, are you listening?!
hee hee!
(coming from a chick who loves McCain...but I wouldn't LOVE him!)
56. edamame - September 12, 2008 2:33 PM
Oh, all of you youngsters and your myspace accounts!
Fish, you are SO on it...excellent!
57. ollie - September 12, 2008 2:41 PM
OMG
#3 IS PROBABLY THE FUNNIEST RESPONSE I'VE EVER READ. LOL
HOLY SHIT THAT WAS FUNNY.
58. Lal - September 12, 2008 2:57 PM
She could have done better, but not a whole lot worse than Hef. Seriously, when Criss Angel is a step up from being part of the harem of an 87 year old sultan, you know your life probably hasn't gone the way you expected. Unless this is all part of a plot
59. SueMe - September 12, 2008 3:01 PM
That black dress is exposing all her goodies. "My goodies, my goodies, my goodies, NOT my goodies!"
60. Bubba Gump - September 12, 2008 3:11 PM
wow why is Bubba Gump actually sad about this story. I love the girls next door but yay go Criss Angel he is fiiiiiiiiiiiineeeeeee & so is she!
61. i <3 Halloween! - September 12, 2008 3:13 PM
Seriously? I really did check to make sure it wasn't April fools day. WTF?
62. Rock - September 12, 2008 3:17 PM
I guess it finally dawned on her that ol' Heff is NOT going to marry her, and give her half of all his weath.
And she realizes she's not getting any younger. So I guess she'll settle for Chris' fortune instead.
63. michele dimino - September 12, 2008 3:22 PM
What could be sexier than an 80 year old horny guy who has had sex with 10,000 women? If that's not a turn-on, I don't know what is. I can just imagine his saggy ass, flabby guts, and wrinkly skin on top of her humping away. The smell of old man sweat and cracking of his arthritic joints must drive her wild. Don't forget the yellow old rotting teeth and receding gums giving her a wet slobbering french kiss.
64. caljenna - September 12, 2008 3:34 PM
@9 it's because you're gay and make poor sentence structure.
65. sameshitdifferentyear - September 12, 2008 3:39 PM
We do all realize that this broad ain't really that hot, right?
Look up Amber Heard right now, do a comparison, you'll see what I mean.
66. Tom Leykis - September 12, 2008 3:44 PM
@#54: don't blame me just because your lack of success means you are going to have to settle or have already settled for someone the same age as you, someone who will force you to "work hard" at keeping your unhappy relationship from failing, as half of all marriages do. The point isn't about marrying someone your own age, the point is that men should just not marry, period! Be successful, avoid marriage entirely, and enjoy hot younger women even if you don't live in the Playboy mansion!
There is nothing "misogynist" about encouraging men to be successful and to avoid the outdated "institution" of marriage. When I see people flailing around and hurling out the term misogynist it always tells me they have no real arguments and are intellectually empty. ;-)
See #63 for exactly the type of bitter and angry woman I was referring to earlier. No misogyny in pointing out the truth. ;-)
67. Sara - September 12, 2008 4:06 PM
#66, If you do live this life you're suggesting (which I doubt you do) I'm sure you'll look back on your life one day and wish you had a family who genuinely cares for you, age spots and cataracts or not. The only person who will be bitter then will be you- and only at yourself.
68. Val - September 12, 2008 4:12 PM
she just wants more attention then the other 2 girls
69. Val - September 12, 2008 4:12 PM
she just wants more attention then the other 2 girls
70. j - September 12, 2008 4:35 PM
I feel sorry for all the people that worked at palyboy that had to listen to this stupid whore because she was blowing hef
71. Prof - September 12, 2008 4:38 PM
Criss Angel (that Mind Freak Asshole Right), wow, I think this is for real it proves to every man that all you need is cash and a bit of fame, and you to can have all the pussy you want! As for Hef that guy doesn't care he's moving on tho the next GF!
72. BM - September 12, 2008 5:10 PM
somehow I dont believe this story... no way she'd do that when she's been with Hef for 7 years and was on her way to marrying him (or so she thought).. plus she had a great future at playboy so I don't believe this story.
73. sva1994 - September 12, 2008 5:20 PM
Well, DUH. That relationship wasn't never going anywhere. She wants marriage and kids, which he doesn't want, and carved a nice little niche fucking an octogenarian for his money and a position at his mag, while he got a fuck a blonde hottie. A map and a slide rule wasn't exactly necessary to see that this wasn't heading for any silver anniversaries.
What I love is this line:
Holly Madison was really working her way into everything (will) at Playboy even choosing Playmates for the magazine.
Someone actually put "(will)" into that, supposedly to clarify the sentence, and ended up having the opposite effect. I love it.
74. venomhed - September 12, 2008 5:24 PM
ALL WOMEN ARE FUCKING WHORES!
Some are just smarter than others.
GUYS, DO NOT GET MARRIED EVER! Name ONE advantage marriage brings to a man?
Still waiting........
75. Tom Leykis - September 12, 2008 5:27 PM
@#67, Sara, getting married and having kids doesn't guarantee you anything. Just ask all the senior citizens languishing in nursing homes and assisted-living facilities who have children, grandchildren, even great-grandchildren who rarely or never visit them.
Suffer through decades of marriage misery (50% end in divorce, many of the rest are miserable but stay together for the kids, etc.) in the prime of life just for the slight chance that you might have some visitors or caretakers in your last few years of senility? No thanks! Just more scare tactics of the type that women use to pressure men into "commitment".
76. geo - September 12, 2008 5:29 PM
She finally figured out like all the rest before her that Hef was never going to settle down.
Wasn't it just 3 or 4 weeks ago that the story came out she was pissed at hef for inviting a new girl into the crew?
77. Sarah - September 12, 2008 5:40 PM
It's not true people. Check out her myspace: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=29472248
It's completely fabricated.
78. Anonymous - September 12, 2008 5:54 PM
Hell, everyone knew this skank was nothing but a prostitute living in a nicer place than most.
79. Captain Obvious 22 - September 12, 2008 5:55 PM
Poor, poor Hef! I also heard his daughter is shutting down his Playboy Mansion parties as a cost savings measure. Talk about neutering dear old dad.
80. missywissy - September 12, 2008 6:06 PM
she'd look a lot better as a brunette.
81. Mac - September 12, 2008 6:14 PM
LMAO Imagine the choice she was faced with...
A creepy, old cryptkeeper or a young fart-snorting douchebag?
Just the thought of it could bring out suicidal tendencies in people with the strongest of wills. And I'm not referring to a legal/probate will.
Get this chick on suicide watch, stat!
82. Flip - September 12, 2008 6:23 PM
She's got great fake tits.
83. Trover - September 12, 2008 6:27 PM
She is not the brightest bulb in the box. Let's check this out:
1- moves in with Hef and is his #1 play thing. All while only like 23 years old.
2-Lives rent free, with a job, with unlimited spending. Just has to sleep with the wrinkly dude who is dead in 5 or less. ie. then set for life.
3-Has sex with Criss Angel. Which is bad enough. But then thinks it is love.
4-Moves out of the Playboy mansion to be with a guy she will no longer be with in 3 months.
5-Did I mention that the guy is the worst illusionist on the planet and his show is a disaster and not even that interesting? That hotel stunt he pulled was pathetic. Hello video recorder.
6- In 4 months, Holly will be begging for her place back in the mansion. Guaranteed.
84. Doc Kok - September 12, 2008 6:29 PM
"I guess Holly was stuck between a cock and a not hard place."
More like stuck between an inchworm fueled by 4 Viagras and Chris Angelfairys diseased wart covered little pencildick.
This young lady will be scarred forever. Holly, if you're reading this, report to my office immediately for, um, treatment. Yes, that's it, treatment.
85. SueMe - September 12, 2008 6:52 PM
#74 first of all please at least have respect for the Nuns, and secondly that's not true at all. I'll never consider myself as being in the category of any other woman, and especially whores. I believe that people should be with only one person in their lifetime. Im sticking to that, and that's how Im living. Good women just don't seem to get the recognition they deserve these days. Geez. I'd rather be considered even a neeger anyday, before considered a whore. On the other hand though if anyone ever called me a whore they'd just be lying to themselves. I think that even dating more than one guy at a time is disguisting. Not all women just give their goodies to any and everyone. Some of us actually prefer saving themselves for their future husband like myself.
86. hmm - September 12, 2008 7:10 PM
ok. Hef is STILL MARRIED to another woman -- doesn't anybody remember that?????
87. Tom Leykis - September 12, 2008 7:18 PM
@85, SueMe, a whore is a prostitute. A prostitute is a woman who expects to be paid -- given something of value -- in exchange for sex. Professional whores want payment in cash. Amateur whores expect payment in a certain number of "dates": dinners, entertainment events, trips, etc. Some can be bought for just a few drinks. Some, like you, demand marriage, which legally entitles them to half of a man's assets and continuing payments (alimony) long after the end of the marriage, which makes it the most expensive vagina of all. The women who "give their goodies to any and everyone" without expecting payment are the ones who are NOT whores. :-)
88. meee - September 12, 2008 7:22 PM
"the dirty"? what the fuck kind of source is that?
you guys are retarded. this is not true.
89. SueMe - September 12, 2008 7:25 PM
@87 in my book a whore is any woman who sleeps around, and it has nothing to do with money in general. They may not be selling their bodies for money, but they're still selling their souls due to sin. Im no whore, and I already make more money than my future husband so it's not a matter of me wanting his money trust me. I'll be a nurse someday, and that's enough income for me. You're right, it's wrong when women expect money out of a marriage, but that's not me. All the money in the world wouldn't mean a thing to me if I couldn't be with him. Im not whore material believe me. I must reiterate that women who sleep around rather for something in return, or just for free are whores. Even God feels that way.
90. Tom Leykis - September 12, 2008 7:42 PM
@89, SueMe, "your book" must not be a dictionary. A whore is a prostitute, a woman who receives payment in exchange for sex. Look it up. If you demand that a man sign a contract (marriage) that legally entitles you to half of his money before you let him use your vagina, guess what that makes you. :-)
91. Brandon - September 12, 2008 7:54 PM
@#6-
Bridget is the ugly one.
92. SueMe - September 12, 2008 8:07 PM
Hey first of all Tom, not that it's your business or anything, but Im no longer a virgin since I met the love of my life. Second of all when I said I was saving myself for him that's exactly what I meant. No other man will be allowed by my consent to touch my body but him. 3rd of all the dictionary is man made, and my definitions come from the bible. Im sorry for anyone who doesn't believe in God, but God's view of a whore is a woman who sleeps around period. I wasn't even really suppose to go there with him until marriage, but I already consider him my husband. That makes me a very rare lady thank you very much. After 5 years together he's still the only one I've ever been with, and the only one that I'll ever want to be with. A prostitute is just a type of whore, but free whores run around everyday. Im no saint, but I just don't believe in being with more than one man period. Like I said before... I make more money than he does so if by chance we got divorced one day, I pray we never will, he' s the one who would get half of my money. Don't you get it? Im not ashamed to say that Im the bread winner in this relationship. I love him for who he is. Otherwise I'd be with some jackass with lots of money if I cared that much about money. Money doesn't make anyone happy at all. Im also not ashamed to admit that I grew up poor so even if I didn't have a career right now I'd be use to not having extra cash. Hey having that big house with the green grass, and the best vehicle isn't something to brag about if it's not your own money. You can think what you want to think, but there is no guy out there that's quite like my guy. He's rich at HEART, and that's what I care about. You look at too much television or something.
93. Tom Leykis - September 12, 2008 8:12 PM
SueMe, if you are marrying a guy who makes less money than you, you must not be very attractive. Make sure you get a pre-nup! ;-)
94. noob - September 12, 2008 8:14 PM
@90, never posted on here before, but wow, dude, you really are a douche... you do realize that, right? I mean you give guys a bad name. And furthermore, stop picking on that SueMe chick, she's obviously religious so your point is lost. She wouldn't be a 'whore' in any sense since marriage for her is a pact with God, so all your ideas of her 'selling her vagina' for marriage contract is ridiculous. As to your earlier post, why can't a man be successful AND be married? A guy can have a fulfilling and lucrative career and still be married. This way he experiences monetary success but gets to be committed to someone he truly cares about and will stay with him (presumably) even if he loses all his money. Don't take it out on everyone else just because you've never been in love, have no faith in humanity, and no trust in anyone but yourself. Just hang out alone with your cash and wait to die, since there's obviously nothing you find truly good in this world.
95. lainey wilson - September 12, 2008 8:24 PM
speaking of trash, check out the tara reid story at celebrityprayerlist.com
96. lainey wilson - September 12, 2008 8:25 PM
speaking of trash, check out the tara reid story at celebrityprayerlist.com
97. daisy - September 12, 2008 8:25 PM
not true..check her myspace
98. SueMe - September 12, 2008 8:36 PM
@94 thank you so much for taking up for me and my beliefs. If you're a guy, and if you're married she's a luck lady whom Im sure has class. If you aren't then you deserve a good faithful woman. I mean that vice versa also if you're a woman. @ Tom #93 he's right you are a douche, because even this Superficial website can't be as superficial as you. I happen to think of myself as at least fairly attractive, and my man thinks Im very attractive. All that matters when it comes to my looks is his and my opinions. Anyhow #94 you're proof that decent people do still exist in this mixed up world. It's people like us who understand that real love isn't dead. Maybe many marriages are based off other things, and that may be the reason why so many of them fail especially in the hollywood scene.
99. Tom Leykis - September 12, 2008 8:46 PM
@94, completely appropriate name by the way, it's possible for a man to be successful and married, it just makes it a lot harder to be successful. Women can be dream-killers. They take your eye off the ball. Being successful often means working long hours. Women start to complain "you're not home enough", "you're not spending enough time with me and the kids", blah blah blah. Not to mention their spending habits. Just ask Ed McMahon.
If you know anything about the world, you know that monopolies do not provide the best services. Why should they, there is no competition! By getting married, a man signs a contract giving a woman a monopoly for providing sexual services. If she provides poor service, or none at all, or lets herself go like Pierce Brosnan's wife, what can he do? He can cheat, as many do, or he can get out, as many do, and lose much of his wealth in the process. Just ask Paul McCartney, Phil Collins, etc. etc.
There just are no good reasons for a man to get MARRIED in the USA in 2008. With the 50% divorce rate and the laws being what they are, it's just a bad move in many ways for a man. You can be in love and all that without being married. If a woman really loves you she won't care about that piece of paper. And not having a legal monopoly for sexual services will keep her on her toes so you will be a happy customer. But if she starts stamping her feet and demanding that you sign the contract that gives her the rights to half of your wealth, just say no. If she leaves, how much did she really "love" you?
100. mytwocents - September 12, 2008 9:01 PM
Go Holly, I mean he's a few years from passing away and she left all she "could have had". I honestly think he would leave her 1 mil that's it and give it to his bro and his son!
but now she won't even get that 1 mil
i mean on the show it looks like they are father and daughter all of them he just takes care of them there is no attraction by the girls they are like yea ok they hardly see him in their day!
101. SueMe - September 12, 2008 9:08 PM
Or Mr. Tom people may want to get married, because they feel that pre-marital sex is a sin. Not everyone wants to have continuous pre-marital sex for their entire lives. It's funny that you should mention a man working long hours, because allthough my man works hard at work Im almost always at work longer than he is. He has a 9 to 5, and me on the other hand I work 10 plus hour days. That's ok though, because it builds character. Oh, and like I mentioned before, I am studying to become a nurse(RN). I want to work in a hospital, and nurses work 12 hour long shifts. That leaves me with no time to complain about my husband to be being at work too long. By the time I'll get out of work he will be at home for hours already. Don't generalize women into one group. I hope these things didn't really happen to you by some gold digger, but if you're patient by letting yourself run into her you can find the one for you. If you don't want to find the one then that's a different story which is your business. Please don't try and project your feelings onto other men though.
102. noob - September 12, 2008 9:08 PM
@99, first off, if you haven't already, please get a vasectomy, and I'm not trying to be funny or anything, I just think you would be doing yourself and everyone else a favor. You sound like you don't ever want kids, and would be a horrible father if you ever did, so take steps to prevent yourself from having to support an unplanned child, and protect any unplanned child from having you as a father. Also if you're one step ahead and have already had a vasectomy, kudos man, for yourself and everyone else.
on to business, you talk about business monopolies and apply them to relationships as if it works, but it doesn't. Relationships must be based on trust or they just don't work. If you are with someone who won't commit to you, just to leave their options open in case you "let yourself go," then how much trust can you possibly have in that person? Commitment is about two people who trust each other so much that they are willing to risk something bad happening, but do anyway in the faith that their relationship is worth it. Marriage is considered the final step, because it usually is; when two people are together, but are too afraid to commit to each other, then they pretty much are at a dead end.
Also you make it seem as though men are they only ones who stand to loose something. Both men AND women have things to loose in a marriage (women can be successful too, it's 2008... didn't you get the memo?). You argue as if you are justified and logical, and yet in all your examples you refuse to see the situations of men and women as equal when applied to marriage. I mean, jeeze, someone, at some point must have really done a number on you... I'm sorry, no one deserves to have their trust betrayed like that.
103. mfbinc - September 12, 2008 9:34 PM
first hef ...now angel........holly come back to me already!!!!! i'm sick of guys fouling my chick!!!!
104. noob - September 12, 2008 9:42 PM
@99, oh also, you do realize that there are prenup agreements that can protect your assets? Oh yeah and for when you die, you can specify in your will who inherits your estate (though if you choose someone besides your significant other you will most likely get bitch slapped in the after-life). So once you take these legal options into account, I guess you're just a pathetic individual who hates women. I guess that means you just got served.
105. SueMe - September 12, 2008 9:47 PM
Yes Noob...he just got served for sure.
106. Tom Leykis - September 12, 2008 9:47 PM
@102, you sound like a naive, inexperienced young man with a lot of idealistic theories and fantasies from movies and pop culture about love and marriage. Someday you'll learn, and hopefully it won't cost you too much. ;-)
Sure, Britney Spears has to pay Kevin Federline, but in the real world most men make more money than the women they are with (with exceptions like Britney and SueMe) and produce most of the family financial wealth, so in most cases it's the man who ends up paying through the nose, especially if there are kids. If your point is that successful women have as much to lose from divorce as successful men, and that neither should get married, then I agree with you! :-)
With cell phones and text messaging and email and MySpace and Facebook and women in the workplace, it's just a lot easier for young women today to cheat than it ever was for their mothers and grandmothers. If you end up getting cheated on your cries of "but I TRUSTED you!" are going to look pretty sad and pathetic. And if you are married to her, with the no-fault divorce laws she will STILL be able to take half your wealth and receive vaginamony payments, money that you will send to her every month that she can then spend on her new boyfriend!
107. noob - September 12, 2008 10:13 PM
@106, actually I'm not a guy, and to prove you wrong, I'm actually going to be the money maker in my relationship as I am on the way to becoming a lawyer. Even now I help to financially support my boyfriend even though I am not making much now, because I would do anything for him. I hope to one day get married to him because he is my favorite person in the world and so that I can show him and everyone else that I want to spend the rest of my life with only him. So how is that wrong? You can't say it's a raw deal for either one of us.
Also the fact that you thought I was a guy writing shows that not all girls are as stereotypical as you think they are. The only reason that financial gap between men and woman is so large is because of people like you who think that women are only out to cheat and steal all they can using sex as a weapon. You say that 50% of marriages now end in divorce? Well that means that 50% of them are potentially happy, satisfying marriages, and it's impossible for you to prove otherwise.
oh yeah and I really hope you took my advice about the vasectomy seriously, because the thought of a child having you as a father makes me want to cry.
108. Tom Leykis - September 12, 2008 10:18 PM
@104, as far as prenuptial agreements, if you look at my post #93 you will see that I advised SueMe to get a pre-nup, so you're not telling me anything that I don't already know. If you paid closer attention rather than prematurely patting yourself on the back for "serving" me, you would know that. Please try to pay closer attention and keep up with the conversation, thanks! :-)
Sure, prenups might reduce the damage, but they can be challenged. Using a condom might reduce the chance of getting infected from having sex with someone who has HIV/herpes/HepB, but why take the risk if you don't have to?
Sadly, while prenups can reduce the damage, most couples don't get them. Why? Because they are so IN LOOOOOVE and TRUST each other so much! Theirs is a love like no other love, a love that will last FOR-EV-ER!
109. PostmortemG - September 12, 2008 10:19 PM
I'm enjoying this discussion between Tom Leykis, SueMe and noob... very interesting and thought provoking. That aside, Criss Angel must love sticking his tongue in that. Yum. =D
110. Tom Leykis - September 12, 2008 10:30 PM
@107, it does make more sense that you are female, but there are so many metrosexual guys posting here it is sometimes hard to tell the difference.
Another woman like SueMe supporting a loser guy who doesn't make much money? Like SueMe, you must not be very attractive either. :-)
If you end up marrying your loser boyfriend I would hope as an attorney that you would get a pre-nup to protect yourself, but you probably won't, because you are IN LOOOVE!
Just because 50% of marriages don't end up in divorce doesn't mean they are all "happy and satisfying". As I said earlier (again, please pay closer attention) many of those couples are miserable but stay together for the kids, for financial reasons, out of inertia, or out of fear of change. I would guess that out of all new marriages no more than 25% end up being "happy and satisfying". Would you fly on a plane that has a 75% chance of crashing, even if you had a parachute (prenup)? ;-)
111. noob - September 12, 2008 10:36 PM
@108, you know you are so right, I will absolutely take your advice and not take the risk in having sex with you so I don't get HIV/ herpes/ Hep B (quite the trio you have!)
I mean you can go ahead and have fun being alone and all, but I think I'll be happy and enjoy life. People (and by people I mean women, because you obviously hate them) are better than you think they are. Take it easy and try not to breed.
112. noob - September 12, 2008 10:41 PM
@108, you know you are so right, I will absolutely take your advice and not take the risk in having sex with you so I don't get HIV/ herpes/ Hep B (quite the trio you have!)
I mean you can go ahead and have fun being alone and all, but I think I'll be happy and enjoy life. People (and by people I mean women, because you obviously hate them) are better than you think they are. Take it easy and try not to breed.
113. Tom Leykis - September 12, 2008 10:52 PM
@111 and 112, please see my post #66 about people who accuse me of hating women or being a misogynist. It's the last desperate gasp of people who have no arguments and have run out of intellectual steam. I don't hate women, I just advise men not to get married to them. Spend time (but not money) with them, have sex with them, love them if you desire, just don't marry them.
Unless, of course, you are a loser like Kevin Federline or the losers that SueMe and noob are with, then by all means get married to those women, and then when it fails give them a dose of their own community property and spousal support medicine! Maybe then the laws will be changed and marriage will be less of the outdated institution it is today. But until that happens, successful people (mostly men) should avoid marriage, prenup or not.
114. membrain - September 12, 2008 10:54 PM
Looks like he can pull more than a rabbit out his pants...
115. noob - September 12, 2008 10:55 PM
that's so sad... I really feel sorry for you, and I hope you find some happiness some day
116. Tom Leykis - September 12, 2008 11:08 PM
@115, don't feel sad for me, I'm the happiest I've ever been! :-)
Only weak and insecure people believe that happiness lies in the false sense of security of that marriage brings. The "commitment" and "permanence" of marriage is an illusion. Just ask Sarah McLachlan. No man needs marriage to be happy, and most men who get married end up divorced or unhappily married. Stop making important life decisions based on fairy tales, movies, and pop culture fantasies.
117. claire - September 13, 2008 12:12 AM
I find your arguments against marriage interesting & rational. I believe that marriage between men & women for love is a social construct, imposed on society to create a sense of order, particularly in regards to sexuality. In this sense it is an arbitrary social institution.
I do not believe that human beings are hardwired (biologically programmed) for monogamy. That said, however, we are hardwired for intense jealousy, envy, hurt etc, that is why many people find staying in relationships more satisfying and balancing emotionally, than being perpetually single (especially women).
However, I believe that marriage (or a highly committed relationship where two people plan on making it work), makes sense in the context of parenting. Children benefit from having both a mother & a father investing a great deal of time, money & care into their upbringing. This is probably why the institution has lasted for as long as it has...
118. Tom Leykis - September 13, 2008 1:02 AM
@ 117, claire, thank you for your thoughtful comments, and I agree with most of what you wrote.
There is no doubt that the ideal structure for raising children is an intact family unit with a MALE and a FEMALE parent (sorry to our gay and lesbian friends). Sociological research shows that males and females have different parenting styles and each make unique contributions to the child's development. Research has also shown that children of broken homes are more likely to suffer from depression, drug and alcohol addiction, to commit suicide, become dropouts, and become divorced themselves.
Ancient and non-Western cultures have recognized the benefits of this social structure called marriage and promoted it by the society arranging marriages between young people, for the benefit of the society's children. Western cultures tinkered with this successful formula by adding the notions of "romantic love" and mate self-selection, with mixed results.
The Western version of marriage was able to function reasonably well until modern feminism and contraception started disrupting the roles of men and women in the late 20th century. More women entered the workplace, both married and unmarried, where they could interact with men, both married and unmarried. This placed great strain on Western marriage, accelerated by the communication revolution of the 21st century, with email, cell phones, text messaging, MySpace, AshleyMadison, match.com, craigslist, etc. It became easier and easier for spouses to become unfaithful, even from across the country.
No-fault divorce laws and the widespread nature of divorce removed the stigma of it and doomed the institution of Western marriage even further. Meanwhile, the financial laws of divorce remain stuck in the pre-feminist, pre-Internet, pre-DNA paternity test era, with outdated notions of "spousal support", "community property", and "if you were the husband you must be the father and therefore owe child support".
The current state of marriage and divorce is so bad that a man is a fool to voluntarily participate, unless he is a loser who marries a successful woman like Britney Spears. A man who marries for the benefit of his children (assuming he wanted to be a father, frequently not the case) is selflessly putting the interests of his children ahead of his own, for there is no benefit TO HIM to get married.
The laws of marriage and divorce must be changed to make marriage more fair and attractive to men in the 21st century, for the benefit of our children and our society. Unfortunately, women and attorneys benefit from the current legal structure so change is unlikely. The only rational choice for men is to boycott and avoid marriage. When women have more and more trouble finding suckers willing to sign on the dotted line, they might join men to create the political pressure needed to change the currently outdated institution of marriage.
119. minigakkun - September 13, 2008 1:13 AM
116@ Art imitates life and life imitates art. While I do agree that many young adolescents are ideal and fall into the fantasy of love portrayed in pop culture, movies, stories, etc. The basis for these art forms come from REAL LIFE. I guess NO ONE, to you, EVER had a happy marriage? Then where do these stories come from? Thin air? You're truly a cynical bitter person I hope I never become.
BTW I too make more than my partner and am female. That doesnt mean I'm unattractive either. I choose to be with someone I LOVE. I dont choose to be with someone just because they're rich. Only superficial vapid people think that way.
And honestly is that a fulfilling life? In your mindset, you automatically think every girl that comes your way is interested in YOUR money and nothing else? Hahaha. Young pussy is your motivater in life? How fulfilling!!!
Some day you might mature and understand the worth of a PERSON of good character, similiar interests in a way of life, and a meaningful relationship. You're a perfect example of "modern" thinking and times believing in NOTHING, but promiscuity. That's all you're promoting, whether you believe it or not. You are definitely NOT promoting a healthy or helpful way of living life - which I'm sure you believe you are. LOL
Also women could argue gold diggers exist because of men LIKE YOU. Its a circle of life with you people. Both are filthy, lol. It is curious how you chose those 3 of the various STDS out there ;]
120. claire - September 13, 2008 1:29 AM
Interesting...
Your argument seems to be an essentially a legal one. Because I am not married and do not live in the US, I am not qualified to comment on the divorce laws in your country, as I don't know anything about them. But I am sure that they can potentially devastate people's lives - (men mostly, I am guessing)?
That being said, from the perspective of a 23 year old female, if I was in a relationship for over 3 or 4 years, and marriage was not proposed, I would think about moving on from the relationship & dating others. It is sad when men 'use women up' as girlfriends, especially during their child bearing years, if they are not serious about commitment & building a life together, which I imagine includes building mutual wealth & having & raising children together.
121. claire - September 13, 2008 1:36 AM
directed @118
122. claire - September 13, 2008 1:47 AM
@119 - there is no point in getting so emotional about a discussion regarding the institution of marriage. Many people, especially those who are educated, believe that marriage is outdated. However, this does not mean that these people do not have satisfying, long term relationships, or are promiscuous in any way.
By the way...
It is a fact that women tend to date men slightly higher in social class (wealth, breeding etc) than themselves, and men tend to date women that are slightly more attractive than themselves. This phenomena has been researched by psychologists, and there are evidence based studies which support such findings. So although you may find some of Mr. Leykis' arguments offensive, many of them are actually based in reality.
123. Tom Leykis - September 13, 2008 1:49 AM
@119 quote: "Art imitates life and life imitates art. While I do agree that many young adolescents are ideal and fall into the fantasy of love portrayed in pop culture, movies, stories, etc. The basis for these art forms come from REAL LIFE. I guess NO ONE, to you, EVER had a happy marriage? Then where do these stories come from? Thin air?"
Marriage is marketed in pop culture the same way state governments get gullible people to buy lottery tickets. They show the winners and never show the losers, and create unrealistic expectations of the chance of success. Are there happy marriages, of course there are, I already stated it might be as high as 25%. That doesn't change the fact that 75% are failures. Are there people who win money playing the lottery, of course there are. Does that mean everyone who plays has a good chance of winning? Please.
Since you are a female I don't expect you to appreciate the motivating power of young or new pussy to a man. It's one of the main reasons men are driven to succeed in business, athletics, the arts, government, etc. Just ask Hugh Hefner, Michael Douglas, Raffaello Follieri, David Duchovny, Flavio Briatore, Lance Armstrong, John Edwards, and Bill Clinton. ;-) That's what motivates real men. Or perhaps you prefer to sensitive, emo, metrosexual types who appreciate your inner soul and covet your mascara. ;-)
The key to handling a gold-digger is to let her get a whiff of your wealth without actually giving her any of it. She will give you samples of sex as a loss-leader to try and rope you in, which you of course accept. By the time she figures out she isn't going to get her hands on the gold you move on to the next one. Live by the sword, die by the sword. The absolute worst way to handle a gold-digger is to marry her. Just ask Paul McCartney. ;-)
124. Tom Leykis - September 13, 2008 1:57 AM
@120, claire, I should have known by your calm, intelligent, and logical comments that you aren't an American woman. Compare your comments to those by the obviously American women who have posted. The difference would be obvious to a blind man! ;-)
125. Minigakkun - September 13, 2008 3:57 AM
122@----------- Funny, I didn't know you could decipher emotion over the internet, nor was I directing my comments toward you. If you've even read Tom Leykis's earlier posts you might understand what I was saying to HIM. Why are you arguing for someone else's point of view without knowing their whole picture? Tom Leykis basically called every woman an amateur whore to a professional whore (including you my dear) for accepting dinners and movies in exchange for a relationship (which to him is SEXUAL FAVORS).
He threw out this long winded post of the unfair legalities of marriage and a shoddy history lesson about women in American culture in a pathetic attempt to sound smart, and not to sound like a misogynist, as if he had all the facts to back up his claims.
His belief, his claim is simply, PROMISCUITY. Plain and simple. He also hates women. His argument is not a legal one.
BTW there are many educated people that believe in many things! Wow, what an argument.
123@----------------- I dont even understand the point of your analogy. People will live life. Some marriages work and some don't. Just because the statistics say you're choice of getting married will be an uphill battle means what? What is your point, man? It will be a hard battle REGARDLESS. Doesn't mean it's not worth it.
It's ironic that you take all your examples of "real men" from the hollywood/pop culture scene - who are known for their unhealthy promiscuous way of life and are mostly unhappy drug abusers. Wow, I wonder WHY? Because they live unhealthy lifestyles. Only someone so shallow looks to such individuals as good examples of any moral code and assume what motivates them. I'm beginning to think you are so disconnected with reality that all you know is the superficial side of life. Even your example of a metro is the popular stereotypical emo with mascara. lol.
Let me repeat.
Some day you might mature and understand the worth of a PERSON of good character, similiar interests in a way of life, and a meaningful relationship. You're a perfect example of "modern" thinking and times believing in NOTHING, but promiscuity. That's all you're promoting, whether you believe it or not. You are definitely NOT promoting a healthy or helpful way of living life - which I'm sure you believe you are. LOL
126. minigakkun - September 13, 2008 3:59 AM
@124 Btw I am Asian.
127. claire - September 13, 2008 4:47 AM
@125 "Funny, I didn't know you could decipher emotion over the internet"
OK, I'll rephrase: there is no need to let your writing style deteriorate into verbose excesses over a simple debate about marriage. By excesses I mean repetitive use of capital letters, extreme case formulations (all, never, every etc) and blatant exaggeration. This gives the reader the impression that emotion, as opposed to logic and reason is driving your argument.
128. Tom Leykis - September 13, 2008 5:29 AM
@125, anyone can see your over-rought emotional response in your nervous laughter (LOL) and frequent use of CAPITALS, and your tired use of "woman hater" and "misogynist" when you have nothing relevant, logical, coherrent, or interesting to say.
lol (being ironic, in case it went over your head)
Please don't misquote me. A woman who demands or expects payment in exchange for sex is a prostitute or whore, by definition. Look it up in the dictionary. The payment may come in the form of cash, dinners, movie tickets, play tickets, plane tickets, etc. It's not misogyny, it's dictionary.
I never said every woman is a whore. If a woman sees a guy she is attracted to at a club, takes him home, and screws his brains out without receiving any cash or goods, she isn't a whore. If she continues to see him and doesn't expect him to spend money on her or goes pays her own way, she isn't a whore. If she lets him take her out multiple times and spend lots of money on her, with no intention of giving him what he really wants, then she's a pricktease, but not a whore. It's only when she requires a guy to take her out to dinner x number of times before she sleeps with him does she become an amateur prostitute, by definition. Payment received, sex delivered. You can try to deny it, but that's what it is. An anthropologist from another planet would recognize it instantly.
As you probably know, women who are amateur whores are the cruelest to other women who give sex away without demanding payment. They call them sluts, skanks, etc. Men love so-called "sluts" but other women hate them because the "sluts" are giving away for free what the whores are trying to sell! It's hurting their business, that's why they hate the "sluts" so much and are so cruel to them!
Your definition of a so-called 'healthy" relationship is very subjective and arbitrary, as is your definition of "promiscuous". Who is "promiscuous" to you, oh wait, I know, anyone who has slept with more people than you have. To a virgin, you are promiscuous, dear. It's all relative.
You can enjoy a "person of good character", be monogamous, blah blah blah blah blah, without signing a contract that forces you to give cash and prizes to someone when things don't work out. I'm not anti-women or even anti-relationship, I'm just against marriage for men, especially successful men, but also wealthy or successful women in those rare cases. Oprah is too smart to get married because she would lose millions, even with a prenup. That's why she has never married and probably never will.
Misandrist! LOL! (see, I can do it too ;-)
129. minigakkun - September 13, 2008 5:41 AM
How you read something is SUBJECTIVE. Just because I capitalized certain words to emphasize a point makes my argument moot, HUH? Lol ok thats cool. I guess you dont have a better argument than to pick on the way I type.
130. spike - September 13, 2008 7:22 AM
When Hef kicks the bucket, his kids will get whatever's left of his money, not some washed-up Playboy bunny.
131. Tracker - September 13, 2008 7:49 AM
Hugh's a sad old man, he shld have left his musky dressing gown in the 60's. His kids seem nice but a little clueless, though it looked for a while like the daughter had things under control but Holly pulled one over her so if she's that weak the magazines future is looking bleak.
Glad Holly's gone, she's horrible and fake, her parents would be holding their heads in shame.
Prostitution might be illegal in the US, but it seems Hugh found a loophole for that by having them all live at his place and earn an allowance rather than an hourly fee.
Go Hugh! you've made prostitutes of thousands of women without spending a second behind bars. You're pathetic, you and the scrags you bed deserve each other.
132. Kelly - September 13, 2008 7:50 AM
"Gold diggers - like hookers, only smarter"
Seriously though, I'm kinda bummed that this was even posted. The rumor was floating around last week and Holly denied it in her own blog and said they were looking into filming the next season of TGND.
133. BEN - September 13, 2008 9:33 AM
@Tom Leykis
"And not having a legal monopoly for sexual services will keep her on her toes so you will be a happy customer."
happy customer? So women are only here to service men?!? dude NOT COOL!
134. Tom Leykis - September 13, 2008 10:41 AM
@133, Ben, "dude", are you really that dense? In your rush to be a sensitive feminist man you didn't understand my point at all. Do you really think that a married women doesn't expect to have a monopoly over her husband's supply of pussy? Do you think a married man could tell his wife "Honey, Ben doesn't think it's cool for you to have a monopoly, so I'm going to go out and get some strange tonight." I never said that women are only here to service men, but sex is an important aspect of marriage, in case you didn't understand that before. Sheesh!
135. errent - September 13, 2008 11:08 AM
Hmm... @128 Tom, I'm a virgin, and I don't think people who have sex with those they cherish are promiscuous. I think you judge too much (I mean, anyone who chooses to support a man automatically = unattractive? C'mon!) , and in doing so, limit yourself, cutting off any chance of a transcendental sort of love (meaning, more than using a woman's body) between someone who can truly love you... but you can't, given all your unresolved issues. You have all my pity. Truly.
136. kristal - September 13, 2008 11:39 AM
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137. kristal - September 13, 2008 11:39 AM
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138. SueMe - September 13, 2008 1:58 PM
Tom didn't read all of your recent posts, but hey your argument is your argument. So be it, but something you posted just doesn't make any sense. You call my boyfriend a loser just because I happen to make more than him. What do you say to the couple who has the woman as the bread winner, but they both make 6 figures a year? That doesn't make the man a loser at all. I know my man's not a loser, and we split our bills in half. I don't take care of him. I save my money, and am putting myself through school as well as he is. He just has a little less money in his pocket. No matter what you say, or think buddy...we will be getting married. I don't need to further explain myself to you, because you can't live our lives for us.
139. PostmortemG - September 13, 2008 3:58 PM
Tom Leykis - your observations are fascinating. I mentioned this argument to my father [ An experienced man in his 60s ], and he says that 25% is a very optimistic percentage - he estimates that perhaps only 10% of marriages, in our modern predicament, are 'happy'. Sure, there are good girls out there... but in our current opportunistic age, men [ Especially kind-hearted suckers ] should be made aware that today's marital laws are truly outdated and that the ideals of yesterday sadly don't apply to most cases today. Tom's point is easy to see: balance between man and woman has been lost. Where do you get your info, Tom?
140. eurotrash - September 13, 2008 4:55 PM
tom;
you're mixing up two very different elements in your arguments... you completely undermine your own (valid!) statements about marriage by talking about women as though they are responsible for failed marriages because they are all whores out to get the money, or too stupid or ugly or whatever other insults you included in your posts.
Try to see that most of the negative responses you have had are all about your ridiculous statements about women, not your attitude towards marriage.
So which is it then; are you against women or marriage?
141. SueMe - September 13, 2008 6:11 PM
@139 if you're father is correct then count me in on the 10%, because I know for a fact my marrying the love of my life will only result in happiness. Let's not forget about the fact that many marriages either end soon, or are unhappy due to the fact that so many men just don't know how to treat a real woman. There's definately a fault on both parties in these marriages that. It only works well if both people in the marriage are good people. Some men also seem so peachy to the one they're with until they get that ring on that finger, and vice versa.
142. SueMe - September 13, 2008 6:11 PM
@139 if you're father is correct then count me in on the 10%, because I know for a fact my marrying the love of my life will only result in happiness. Let's not forget about the fact that many marriages either end soon, or are unhappy due to the fact that so many men just don't know how to treat a real woman. There's definately a fault on both parties in these marriages that fail . It only works well if both people in the marriage are good people. Some men also seem so peachy to the one they're with until they get that ring on that finger, and vice versa.
143. So SueMe - September 13, 2008 6:35 PM
SueMe - September 12, 2008 8:07 PM
"...the dictionary is man made, and my definitions come from the bible. Im sorry for anyone who doesn't believe in God, but God's view..."
FYI the bible (babble) was fabricated by men. Ancient men who did not have the findings of 20 centuries of science. They were guessing. They guessed that the earth was flat for crying outloud.
Get a clue already before you make a fool of yourself any further.
144. SueMe - September 13, 2008 6:59 PM
Ahhh! nice #143 I was so hoping someone would adress me on this, because even so, and Im no idiot ofcourse the bible has been changed, but it still makes more sense than the dictionary definition of a whore doesn' t it? Get that ish out of here.
145. M.Antonieta - September 13, 2008 9:52 PM
Estoy contenta por HOLLY. ya que se le cumplira el deseo de ser madre. y eso es lo mas importante para una mujer.
146. Laura - September 13, 2008 10:24 PM
Wow, guess Heff couldn't deliver the baby goods.
If you like the Superficial, you will probably also like http://www.FUNNYCELEBRITY.blogspot.com
147. devilsrain - September 13, 2008 11:50 PM
Tom Leykis...Your post 50. Is right on the money. Im 36 now and I used to worry about marriage/ having a family. In the past 10 years all ive seen is divorces or guys and girls cheating on each other. You are right, guys are better off working on becoming successful and having a great time with girls. The people on here that are pissed at you are probably in horrible relationships and are miserable.
PS Holly couldnt be more of a gold digging whore. Im glad Hef never married her dumb ass.
148. gerard Vandenberg - September 14, 2008 10:18 AM
I think she should start a "GAY-PALACE" now!!
............FAGGOTS "parking" only!!
149. SueMe - September 14, 2008 11:58 AM
Protect yourselves out there guys, because it's a mean mean world. In other news boy I can't wait to graduate so that I can take trips to more exotic places like Jamaica, Barbados, and Hawaii.
150. Bosco - September 14, 2008 12:55 PM
No one reads comments over six lines pithy
151. KDIZZLL - September 14, 2008 4:00 PM
heard she was a big problem at the mansion bet hef lured her outta there. inside job.
152. Bitch - September 14, 2008 10:17 PM
Tom is just mad that none of the pretty girls would ever date him in high school. For someone who is supposedly out there seeking financial success and women, he sure has a lot of time on his hands to respond to all of these posts. Probably a 250 pound shut in in real life.
As for Holly, if this is true, she's gone from one freakshow to the next.
153. jo - September 14, 2008 10:52 PM
I think Tom's comments are relevant to context. If you live in a culture where family values are obsolete, and people are judged more on their bank balance, and boob-job, than on their personal development than I can see how amateur prostitution would be rife & men - as well as women, would have to look out for constant exploitation and manipulation within the dating scene. In this scenario marriage would be a stupid idea.
Not all cultures have such shallow values however. I do believe that if women are gold-digging money hungry whores, then it has more to do with their culture's values and ideals of material success then it has to do with being female.
We are all products of our environment....
154. nay - September 14, 2008 11:19 PM
Not True!! http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b28871_holly_madison_did_not_dump_hef_criss.html
155. hi - September 15, 2008 12:24 AM
I think she's using criss angel to make Hef dissappear so she can get his money. Abracadabra. POOF!
156. TheWraith - September 15, 2008 2:01 AM
I like to poop.
157. colinhu - September 15, 2008 2:42 AM
Yep! what a fucking hot picture! That's amazing sexy! More photos can be found at Richromances.com that is a millionaire and models deating site
158. KittyCarlisle - September 15, 2008 8:06 AM
I guess the peroxide did poison her brain-and, she needs an "illusionist"-to make her appear intelligent. Maybe he can meake her disappear?
Holly has had enough of "puffin' on the PUFFIN' as he's puffin' round 'da house". Those hard-boiled egg farts were getting to her-Big Time.
It was kind of gross-watching Holly, Bridget and Kendra play smoochie-face with 'ol wrinkle dink-so that they could get free rent, boobs, botox and spray-on tans.
As we speak-there's another ripe young Thang singin' to Hef-
"I wanna' Slob on on 'ya Knob-like Corn on the Cob."
More like "niblets"....with a Ho-Ho-Ho.
When Hef dies-there will be more tears, from every plastic, made-up, centerfold throwaway-who is just pissed because SHE didn't get any of the "Bling and Ka-Ching".
Joke's on you.
159. KittyCarlisle - September 15, 2008 8:06 AM
I guess the peroxide did poison her brain-and, she needs an "illusionist"-to make her appear intelligent. Maybe he can meake her disappear?
Holly has had enough of "puffin' on the PUFFIN' as he's puffin' round 'da house". Those hard-boiled egg farts were getting to her-Big Time.
It was kind of gross-watching Holly, Bridget and Kendra play smoochie-face with 'ol wrinkle dink-so that they could get free rent, boobs, botox and spray-on tans.
As we speak-there's another ripe young Thang singin' to Hef-
"I wanna' Slob on on 'ya Knob-like Corn on the Cob."
More like "niblets"....with a Ho-Ho-Ho.
When Hef dies-there will be more tears, from every plastic, made-up, centerfold throwaway-who is just pissed because SHE didn't get any of the "Bling and Ka-Ching".
Joke's on you.
160. KittyCarlisle - September 15, 2008 8:06 AM
I guess the peroxide did poison her brain-and, she needs an "illusionist"-to make her appear intelligent. Maybe he can meake her disappear?
Holly has had enough of "puffin' on the PUFFIN' as he's puffin' round 'da house". Those hard-boiled egg farts were getting to her-Big Time.
It was kind of gross-watching Holly, Bridget and Kendra play smoochie-face with 'ol wrinkle dink-so that they could get free rent, boobs, botox and spray-on tans.
As we speak-there's another ripe young Thang singin' to Hef-
"I wanna' Slob on on 'ya Knob-like Corn on the Cob."
More like "niblets"....with a Ho-Ho-Ho.
When Hef dies-there will be more tears, from every plastic, made-up, centerfold throwaway-who is just pissed because SHE didn't get any of the "Bling and Ka-Ching".
Joke's on you.
161. 0bserving - September 15, 2008 1:34 PM
His dick must drag the ground - because this is just about the "STUPIDEST" career move this dumb cunt could make !!!!
162. Bud da STUD - September 17, 2008 7:04 AM
Im sure Hef is all brokenup, considering he gets more ass than a toilet seat. How would he miss one airhead when he is surrounded be thousands. Mindfreak will have fun with Hefs sloppy seconds, maybe he can make her magically get smart. Why would a hot piece like that want to be with father time anyway. Maybe for the money, or does she like wrinkely, flacid petas. Maybe mindfreak freaks her better, or maybe he can magically make his peta get bigger, smaller, harder and longer. I hope they both float away and get hit by a plane. I guess mind freak has more money, or maybe he freaks her better. Any peta is better than a prehistorical fossilized peta.
163. prettytoyboxes - September 17, 2008 7:34 AM
just so you guys know... go to holly madison's myspace, she posted a blog that denies they are breaking up, so there you have it.
164. 4REEE - September 17, 2008 6:38 PM
@152, What the heck are you talking about?! Tom *is* a self-made multimillionaire. Therefore he *has* the time to respond to these posts! He's got the bucks, but we have to work because we're "slaves to the man."
165. Tim - September 17, 2008 6:44 PM
True or not true, the thought of this makes me want to puke. I did think that Holly was a goddess, but if she touched that mind freak... uuuggghh, can't even think of it.
166. Starcasm - September 23, 2008 12:40 PM
Holly's gonna make a great mom! Maybe she can use Mindfreak's Sperm, and stay with Heff in the mansion. The tots would have lots to play with there.
167. gnipgnop - September 23, 2008 12:41 PM
hey 55 - i also love mccain - just love to skull fuck that leaky abcess on the side of his hideous death fuck face - ahahah
168. Vince Lombardi - September 23, 2008 12:48 PM
Let's go a little easy on the gal, folks. I mean, her parents gave her a name that rhymes with makers of creme-filled cupcakes. It's practically her *destiny* to go on to pornography and star-fucking.
Of course, I'm calling Hugh Hefner and Criss Angel stars in the widest sense of the definition. Work with me people! Throw me a frikkin' bone!
169. justpeeking - September 23, 2008 9:32 PM
One speaks of spending every minute with her St Boyfriend who popped her cherry but agreed to marry her so the Almighty doesn't freak out. I am an atheist but according to you-you already sinned! So, now that you're going to hell you might as well enjoy the ride
-Joined by one who goes to school and supports a guy..honey he better f%^&* do your laundry, massage your feet, proofread homework for you etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.. And cut his nuts of, serve them for dinner if he finds himself a little comfort squeeze when you're off doing lawyer stuff
Against a bitter douche stuck in a way telling people that it's naive/dumb/sad to be stuck in a way..I guess it's only OK if you're stuck in his..Jeeeez, if you're so comfy in your life why do you need to spend so much time defending it...If you hate women and marrying them and are in humping phase -GO HUMP and make money or whatever it was. You know, instead of converting people on Superficial. com
So, all these people who say they have all these angelical people to be with and that guy who has a lot of non-angelical vaginas to plow...and....they are sitting on their computers arguing...Now, that is truly miserable
170. Jiffro - September 24, 2008 8:38 AM
Can we all just motorboat those titties and quit bitching!! :)
Those are fake titties but I'd put my face between them!
171. test - September 25, 2008 7:32 AM
think she's using criss angel to make Hef dissappear
172. olim - September 26, 2008 10:17 AM
nip visible in 2nd pic
173. mmiicchhee - September 26, 2008 8:59 PM
stretch marks on the ass alert! im shocked!
174. STorres - October 7, 2008 11:35 AM
Check out this breaking article about Hugh Hefner and Holly Madison’s breakup!
http://thecelebritycafe.com/features/20557.html
175. Lorie - October 13, 2008 4:40 PM
Ok Holly was hot and a getting everything that ALL girls want except her happy ending. I dont have a clue who criss angel is but i am sure he will work as a great rebound. Hef was a dog and more for keeping 3 girls. they all evan kindras nasty ass deserves to get paid for putting up with that crap.
176. Charles Johnson - November 25, 2008 11:43 AM
Im so glad Hef finally dumped this bimbo.....Kendra and Bridgette were the hot ones at the mansion.....Holly was a gold digging cow who tried to con her way into the playboy empire and Hugh Hefners bank account.....Now that she's supposed to be with Cris we can only hope he makes her disappear for good! I say Goodbye and Good riddance to Holly (who must have had a talent somewhere because I sure have not seen it on the TV show)....You cant see it by looking at her and she certianly has nothing upstairs but silicone and cob webs....She is now exposed as we all knew she was.....She didn't care about anything but her own fat behind.... Holly.....SEE YA!!!
177. Jenna - November 29, 2008 5:33 PM
hahahaha so true ........ she certianly has nothing upstairs but silicone and cob webs..
178. Erika - March 20, 2009 2:03 PM
venomhead: you are why American women want to date foreign men. Because your all a bunch of fags. Your wimpy and limp dicked. Also Criss Angel SUX probably literally. David Blaine is way better.
179. truredhead - March 27, 2009 3:16 PM
I can hardly believe some of the posts on here. Some people think they actually know Holly and what goes on in her life. Who cares? That is the least of our problems. You can sure tell that this world has its share of idiots.
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