Dec 11 2007Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen parodied by PETA (Hilarity not included)

What is that cartoon a drawing of? Squirrels? Rats? Peta should protect wide-eyed rodents!

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I don't see no Olsen twins. PETA should find some Olsen look alikes and do a reality TV show on MTV or something. The cartoons not working for me.

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Powerful stuff there. What a wonderful way to get a message across.

Fur sucks, but Futureman sucks worse.

I can't believe I watched the whole thing

the "dress up" page is great. they've got googly eyes!

I saw them eating at an In and Out burger last night. Pretty accurate

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There just selfish human beings who don't give a shit about using animals for fashion.

Wow ... that was terrible ... And Futureman, haha, what a douchebag!

I'm gonng go throw up now.

@11 Yes well said, accurate and to the point. Thanks for clearing the air and fostering understanding.

@11 Yes well said, accurate and to the point. Thanks for clearing the air and fostering understanding.

I have seen this news earlier on millionairefriends.com. It's a website for celebrities and wealthy people.

I don't know what's more awesome:

Futureman's name
Futureman's acting
Futureman's clothes
The seamless editing
... or the hours of Full House some loser at PETA had to endure.

Regardless, super-sweet awesome!

they really wont be concerned by this. theyre little bitches. i know em

Whoops double post, my bad. Yet this provides another opportunity to praise #11s astute observation.

Ok so I'm not one to wear fur but watching that retarded video makes me want to go kick a furry animal. I say that video hurts their cause more than it helps. If they've got a spokesperson like Futureman then their cause isn't gonna go much further.

Soooo.... Peta doesn't advocate fur, but they advocate kicking toddlers out??? That was the most retarded thing I've ever seen

This is the best PETA can do? Make fun of these two? wow. PETA is pretty desperate. These twins were sickly and gross as it is. No need to parody that. The spoof would have been to make them look good with huge boobs.

Amazing production quality. I am surprised they didnt detonate a pig's blood balloon on them in public instead.

#11, how do you know they're selfish? (before you answer that one, run to your closet and make sure there are no leather shoes, belts or purses in there, and make sure you don't have leather seats in your car while you're at it). And did you drop out of school in 7th grade, or did you sleep your way through english class?

I wish PETA would stop getting all the attention, but since they're a major source of revenue for this site, I guess I can only dream.

The chairwoman of PETA is diabetic, she needs insulin to live, insulin comes from pigs. She also lists Faust as one of her favorite books.

If I were the Olsen twins (which I thank God every day that I'm not), I would just wear more fur after seeing this. It'd be fun to see that you make a group of people so angry just because you wear fur. I'd make a little game out of it.

Well, I'd like to say something horrible about the Olsen Doppelgangers but I really like sheared beaver fur (hahahaha). But seriously folks, I'd wear fur if I'd hunted it and skinned it myself after eating the meat (hahaha). No seriously.....

I'm not pro fur, but at least the animals are farmed and not poached. I'd like to see Futureman confront some poachers and then watch the fur fly! Futureman would quickly become Extinct Idiot without a Gallbladder!

i hate peta, i want to buy lots of hamburger meat and throw it at them.
a lot of people hate fur because they think it is cruel, but... i think these people forget that they prob own something made of leather... same concept really.
Seals and chinchillas are cute though, Im glad I think fur coats look funny, and I am too poor to afford them.

peta is so dumb... i hope the olsens and the creators of full house sue for copyright infringment...

What if there were GIANTS living among us that liked to wear "human eye balls" as earrings? We'd see our family member's heads being chopped off for their fashion purpose. I would hope that some sensible GIANTS would protest to save us.

I'm a member of PETA.

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they should really focus on more important things... next thing you know PETA will bitch because we're not all vegans... oh wait...

I eat cows and pigs. Does that make me a bad person in PETAs eyes? If God didn't want us to eat cows and pigs she wouldn't have made them taste so good. Ummmmmmmmm... burgers................

By the way, after reading the reviews on this cartoon, WATCH out The Simpson's!

PETA people are pathetic, completely off their nuts. It isn't animal abuse they're upset about - not really - it's their own damaged childhoods (or something of that ilk, specifics may vary). They are helpless, frightened, ineffectual little people beset by a virulent mentality of victimhood. Their actions and positions are nothing more than self-righteous masturbation.

Hypocrites. They trashed Paris before too but stopped when they realised she could be useful to them. They only like celebrities that would undress themselves in name of their cause.

#31,
This is already happening. They are called Republicans.

31 -
what if we could fly to the moon and eat horse shit.
what if vegetables had hearts and souls, scientists just haven't discovered it yet.
my hamster ate it's babies... it didn't give a fuck about family.
know why?
cause it is a dumb animal.
you fucktard,
i should shoot you and wear your skin.

This is just the way it is, people who wear fur as a fashion statement are just plain assholes. Those that try to defend them may not be assholes but are really fucking stupid. Minks, foxes, and harp seals, etc. are harvested solely for their pelts to be turned into outerwear so those that wear them can flaunt their wealth. It is a wretched practice.

It is not an effective counter-argument to criticize those opposed to the practice for eating meat and wearing leather does not negate that. When rendered cows and swine have multiple uses like providing food and clothing. Leather is durable material and used a lot more than making flashy pants. The point is there are many utilitarian uses for those animals, whereas animals slaughtered for the fur trade are done only for their skin.

So don't feel bad about having a big steak dinner and wearing leather on your way out to throw pig blood on the Olsens. You're not doing anything wrong.

I liked the naked woman campaign much better. It's difficult to get an erection looking at the Olshit twins. They are as annoying as that Sam Wainwright and his "Hee Haw" comment throughout It's a Wonderful Life. If it's such a Wonderful Life, then while did George try to jump in a freezing river and kill himself? The holiday season is so confusing... If I were George Bailey, the movie would have been much different:

Sam Wainwright: Hey George, Hee HAW!!!
George: Shut up you stupid fuck before I kick you right square in the nuts.

It would have had to be an HBO movie.

Ah PETA, always taking the mature, intelligent approach and really getting people to come on over to your way of thinking. Fucking nutbags.

39- i didn't think of that.
i feel better now.

Oh yayyyyy!!!!! Another video to watch once I get home.

You go girl!!!!!

#34--Why did "she" make them so good?:-) hmmm.........
I agree--farming animals is "agriculture"---there are far more pressing animal rights issues than the fur industry.

Any smear campaign against the Olsen twins is something I strongly support.

PETA prefers wearing fake fur coats made in Chinese sweatshops. Right on folks!

#39, you can't have it both ways. It's either OK to kill non-threatened species or it's not. You can't discriminate. In my mind, it's ok.

If I let my minks die of old age before I make my fur coat would that be OK?

While they do have a legitamate purpose. PETA seems to go way too far. This is silly and ineffective except for the fact that we are talking about here.

The Olsen Twins should be slaughtered. Worthless bitches. Its a shame we don't live closer, 'd like to introduce them to my machete. Its time to show these sluts what they've been missing. Skin 'em alive I say.

At the risk of sounding totally trite, I think everyone is entitled to his/her own beliefs. That said, I find PETA incredibly self-righteous. Just because they feel that wearing fur is cruelty, doesn't mean that everyone else has to. They're always bullying the celebrities who decide to wear fur and I think its utterly childish. And now they're targeting the Olsen twins?? This is ridiculous!

This is a silly campaign, but I think the aim was to steer away from the brutal video campaigns that it usually employs as that just repels people from their cause since no one can stomach it. I can understand where they're heading with the idea, but yeah, it's a little stupid.

If any of you want to read a really, really interesting interview:
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Ingrid_Newkirk%2C_co-founder_of_PETA%2C_on_animal_rights_and_the_film_about_her_life

It's a real unbiased interview so you can hear about PETA's purpose right from the founder. Judge her based on what SHE says, but not based on all the uninformed mud slinging that goes around on these forums. A lot of people are against PETA just because it's a popular notion that they're all nutbags. IMHO, Ingrid Newkirk has a very, very sound approach to her cause. Just read this interview before you make fun of her and her organization.

What's the point of parody if the targets are already jokes?

@39 Your argument about the meat/leather use vs just using animal fur would have SOME merit, except PETA doesn't think you should be able to eat meat or wear leather either, and likens pet ownership to slavery. I doubt the animals being killed for just for their hides would feel any better about it if they knew their meat was going to be eaten also lol.

@46 You nailed it. These clowns value the life of a spotted owl over the lives of people.

A buddy of mine from college banged one of the little freaks a few times. He said when he was really going to town he thought he was going to break her. I guess her bones & hips would squeak and pop or something. Nasty.

That douchbag future guy makes me so mad that i'm going to buy a fur coat because of this gayass video. Friggin these peta nuts should let loose more animals at petsmart so the animals can freeze in the snow and die.

That douchbag future guy makes me so mad that i'm going to buy a fur coat because of this gayass video. Friggin these peta nuts should let loose more animals at petsmart so the animals can freeze in the snow and die.

@ 25

Synthetic "human" insulin is now manufactured for widespread clinical use using genetic engineering techniques, which significantly reduces the presence of impurities. Eli Lilly marketed the first such insulin, Humulin, in 1982. Humulin was the first medication produced using modern genetic engineering techniques in which actual human DNA is inserted into a host cell (E. coli in this case). The host cells are then allowed to grow and reproduce normally, and due to the inserted human DNA, they produce a synthetic version of human insulin.

This isn't the 1920's, people generally don't use animal derived insulin anymore.

Did anybody see that episode of 30 Rock that had David Schwimmer as Greenzo? This is eerily similar.

32, how clever and original. Did you come up with that yourself? Oh no, I guess you didn't. I seem to remember that as a favorite acronym back in the 5th grade. You know, back when humor was really sophisticated.

The problem with PETA is that they are so garrulous with their advertising and campaigning, and they have so much money that they come off as THE face for animal advocacy. But most animal advocates who devote so much time, money and energy to non-profits have major disagreements with PETA's practices. No, PETA doesn't a lot as far as rescuing themselves, but they do manage to promote themselves (and whatever it is they do besides misinform/piss off the public) through so much merchandising (hats, mugs, shirts, etc).

It's okay to diss PETA, so long as you're aware that they don't represent most of the people who are out there trying to make a difference without trying to earn a buck!

fuck peta

WAAAAHHHH!!! STFU Peta. Human beings have been wearing fur since the dawn of civilization, some of us have evolved others choose to still look tacky.

umm maybe if peta stoped pestering them just maybe the olsen twins wouldn't wear clothes that look like they picked a dead animal off the side of the road

PETA advocates alternatives to fur, but they're obviously not desiring that this other clothing be created at sweat-shops. That happens all of the time with or without the fur market - and fur clothing is in this day and age something people just do NOT need.

And who says the current fur-market isn't akin to sweatshops, anyway? It IS, AND on top of that there is tremendous animal cruelty. So how about instead of making excuses for one evil, we try to get rid of as much as possible?

# 59, and anyone else who thinks PETA is worthless or that the fur market is not such a bad thing, I think it's your responsibility to be informed.

The following video is extremely graphic; I actually became physically ill while watching it. Yes, it's by PETA. It's important to know where and how the practice of making fur clothing occurs, and thank God for whoever had the balls to record what is going on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG0YrDMeVvI

#31
Makes a lot of sense!

PETA is so annoying. I am going to eat veal every meal for a week. I might order two or three plates and just throw the extras in the trash.

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/petaKillsAnimals.cfm

Did those Olsen twins ever explain to PETA that they are actually wearing nothing more than their own monkey-hair that they shaved off their own backs and turned back into coats?

And I don't get it. Why did PETA use caricatures more flattering than what those marmosets actually look like?

They should have killed ‘Futureman’ immediately, by repeatedly pounding him on the head with a bat till dead, ground him up, & feed him to the dog. Now that would have been worth while seeing. But this vid was as LAME as it comes, what can anyone expect from the NAZI'S at peta.

I love REAL fur, there is NOTHING like it. It's warm, soft, cozy, it's a PURE DELIGHT! EVERONE loves real fur, no matter what peta does the fur trade will ALWAYS be around it may get smaller, but it will NEVER go away. In fact a lot of designers have started using it again because of it’s vastly superior qualities over fake fur.

NAZI-peta can show me all the FAKE animal killing pictures & vids they want, it's NOT going to change my mind ....... I LOVE ME SOME REAL FUR!

#67, how can you say the "pictures" are fake? Fucking look at it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG0YrDMeVvI

From the way it sounds calling you selfish wouldn't deter you one bit. But making the decision to wear fur after seeing something like that would classify you, if you believe in objective moral values, as evil.

got it from interracialconnect.com ? It is a niche interracial dating site. I saw the similar one there

No Julee with 2 ees. I got it from juleescuntsmellslikemontholdtunafish.com. It's a nitch skank site. I saw a stinky one there.

PETA, you can always rely on them to make themselves out to be the bigger asshole.
I wear fur, i have a farm where my animals go to market, i love leather, i eat meat, i wear fur simply for fashion.
if someone doesn't like those things, then they shouldn't do it, but it is my right.

"ugly fur items" = Ugly animals? what is PETA really saying here?
obviously that Mary-Kate and Ashley should have used prettier animals. DUH!

My indifference towards fur is overshadowed by my hatred of PETA.

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Yeah that's how you further your cause, by acting immature so that no one takes you seriously. Lame.

fucking hippies

Oh PETA, you little rascal!! I think the Twins should gather up the remains of euthanized animals from animal shelters and make kaleidoscope capes for themselves to fly around the magical land of PEToria in!

The FACT is, that PETA actually advocates the elimination of most animals. Especially Livestock. In order to feed humanity a strictly vegetarian diet, we would have to eliminate grazing land and turn every available , tillable land into farm land. Where would all the cows, sheep, and chickens go? Where would the wild animals go for that matter?

I personally hate the idea of animals suffering, for experiments or for fashionistas, but PETA has NO answers. Zero.

I got a couple of cats PETA can come rescue, cause I'm about to stomp the shit out of them for being such PUSSIES!!!

PETA needs to fuck off.

PETA needs to fuck off.

They are hot, has anyone know about their proflie they got on super rich date site uglyrichtwats.com ? Me like to feed me family by make stupid post that foolish ones think fool people. Me silly.

Hard to find any intelligent comments with all of the vulgar language. I have to admit that PETA does sometimes rub people the wrong way however, the point of the video - which it seems the majority of you are missing - is how the animals are killed. The majority of the fur from China is from dogs, skinned alive in most cases - what this video shows are racoons and other animals in cages watching and waiting to see their own fate. So while you may not agree with PETA"s tactics - there is a message here. And this video is real - the Humane Society has done plenty of reasearch also and has similar videos but they are not so "in your face". You can get fur without brutally beating an animal and skinning it alive. Just an FYI - when you are trying to make a logical argument - the cuss words don't really help your case. They just make you look stupid. Which is why I have personally discounted all of the comments made by those obiviously with low IQ's

Fuck yes. What Kim Johnson said.

Oh man, I love these PETA stunts, you can't get good comedy like this anymore.

But I really get a kick out of the fact that people actually give them money, as if they'll ever be a credible organization. It'd be less futile to go back in time and prop up the world trade center with a 2x4.

God I hate those PETA morons!

Hey Kim Johnson, you're visiting TheSuperficial.com. If you're expecting intelligent discussions about this topic on a site that revels in the mockery of celebrities, you're seriously deluding yourself. Fur for fashion is terrible, but that doesn't make Futureman any less of a self-righteous douchebag.

@57 You are correct, it isn't the 1920's, or even the 1980's pre-humulin. The point is that she survives by utilizing a method with roots in animal testing. Faustian indeed.

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Peta cares more about being upstart assholes than animals.

People saying that everyone should be entitled to their opinion aren't taking under consideration the fact that animals are of the opinion that they would prefer not to be skinned. Frankly, I'm suprised to see celebrities other than hip hop "artists" and J-Lo wearing fur.

Maybe Peta got it wrong. Everybody knows that when you're anorexic you grow peach fuzz hair all over because the body is trying to keep warm. These two freaky looking Chihuahuas could be growing their own fur.

63, of course I think the fur market is horrible. And when did I say PETA is worthless? Before you make such absurd inferences, READ MY FUCKING POST!

Not to personalize this, but I've worked for a non-profit animal rescue for three years now. I don't eat meat, and I buy synthetic clothing when there are sensible alternatives to leather. I never buy new leaher products,I don't eat meat, I am active in the animal welfare world, yadda yadda.

Now, having not only read extensively on animal welfare and animal rights, and having lived like a pauper since I graduated from college so that I can at least try and make a modicum of difference by holding down a job that is a constant uphill battle, I think I have a qualified opinion of PETA. I know what they do, and more importantly in this case, what they don't do. I never said that they are "useless." But I can think of a few things that they could do with their massive bankroll:

1) Become more active on a grassroots level by implementing PETA-run, no-kill shelters across the world. They could operate as a support shelter to the SPCA and county shelters by taking in 11th hour animals or finding satellite fosters until they're adopted.

2) At least provide financial support to the few shelters that do this. Give grants to sanctuaries that apply for them.

3) Shove it up their ass.

83, I make sound arguments and I swear for emphasis. If you think swearing indicates low IQ's, how do you explain the writing of Ulysses, and a shit ton of other "high minded works" written by authors who purportedly swore like fucking sailors?

If you don't like it here, go to a board that is moderated and where swearing isn't tolerated. A Mormon or Jehovas Witness website might be a good place to start. I'm sure they're full of people whose intelligence level is equal to yours.

If the olsen twins were sexy looking PETA would ask them politly not to wear fur and to get naked for their campigns ( as they did to eva mendez ) but since the twince are not hot beta started making fun of them.

Oh Peta, you're so mature.
PETA is nothing but a god damned money making scheme. Look at the poor puppies, now open your wallets. These people care nothing and know nothing about animals or actual wildlife.

#94 - I reference entry #74 - must be a rocket scientist - my mistake. To come up with such a mentally stimulating respone must have taken hours to create.

And I am not religious. I was just baffled that so many can't see past the stupid Olson video - for the real point they were making. I am just a regular Joe - that comes here to look at the silly photos and read the commentary but I am also an animal lover and the fur industry is really upsetting to me.

PETA just needs to break out some old school fur protest moves. Like dousing the Olsens in red paint on a regular basis. That would kick their fur wearing in no time.

Bunch of hippies... plus I call shame on the editor or "special effects" damn! Rodriguez did his own editing in his basement for Sin City.... I know not the special effects but STILL!!

and isn't there a little copyright problem using this footage and editing it completely??

i'm no fan of peta, they could be extreme in some situations, but most of you guys... i don't know, maybe because u are kind of retarded and yr eyes or ears are gone, whatever you want to or not, the celebrities are giving fashion business money, so god damn, other retards can buy this stuff. it's all in fashion. they get money from animal' s fur. now think about yr dog or cat, wouldn't be a nice coat? it's a home pet? doesn't matter, so fuck you guys not peta in this case

Fuck PETA...I can't stand those people! This stupid little film is just another example of how annoying they are and reaffirms my hatred for their extremist organization.

PETA is a terrorist group, why are they not treated as such?

THIS IS FUCKING HILARIOUS!!! And all jokes aside, the intended "Caricature" provided is actually INCREDIBLY lifelike. This looks JUST LIKE their strung out selves. What a great depiction of these trashy fucking ash trays. These girls are Puss and Herpes filled boils on the ass of the collective whole of White Trash America. They are poster children for abortion. And the fact that they actually WORK to piss people off just so they can feel relevant in todays world, make me hate them even more. This is one of the few times I would not be offended by one of PETA's terrorist activities: SLAUGHTERING THESE CHICKS AND SKINNING THEM.

I always thought they looked like ugly little monkey trolls. And now I have even more reason to hate them. Selfish, ugly, little monkey trolls. Animals suffer all so they can wear an ugly coat a couple of times. Yeh I know, peta might go over board with stuff, but that's no excuse for the sick shit people do in the name of fashion and food. Blech. FUCK THE OLSEN TWINS

I'm with bradley full house and the olsen twins should sue PETA. The only thing that is perhaps more bizarre and absurd than the time spent on this video, is the unnecessary radical actions of PETA. I'm not much on PETA myself but it seems to me that this video was produced by a wannabe PETA, I concluded this from the website PETA2.com. There are human beings that are being treated badly, wheres the sympathy and time put into "saving" animals, shouldn't they be more or at least equally matched.

I love animals, but PETA's behavior is immature. Especially the website they made for this. Thousands of dollars going toward making fun of somebody when it could be going toward something much more productive. This junior high school mentality makes me ill.

I may be wrong, but I'm willing to bet that PETA mostly consists of college students trying to feel like they're part of a cause. You know, the kind of people that don't actually believe in what they fight for, they just want to seem morally superior to everyone else, and feel like they are a part of a group.

In the words of the ever wise Maddox, "Dear PETA: For every animal you don't eat, I shall eat three."

FUCK those who wear fur, i hope you die the worst painful death ever.
theres a difference between eating animals and WEARING animals. its no longer in fashion
Welcome to this decade, its no longer a sign of wealth, is now a sign of ignorance and selfishness
die assholes!

"its no longer in fashion"

So, if it were in fashion...It would be ok to wear animals? Nice to see that your morals depend on what's hot at the moment.

I find nothing funnier than people who make moral arguments for not killing animals. Animals have no sense of life or death and they certainly aren't thinking about what's going to happen to them when someone takes them out of a cage to their slaughter. That said, I'm for putting them out of their misery in the most humane way possible. A lot of you have to stop being so naive and get real. Human beings have been killing animals and using them for various purposes (yes, even fashion) for thousands of years. Don't give me this bullshit that it's selfish to wear fur or animals products for fashion either. That's the stupidest argument I've ever heard. Some of us don't like to walk around in Birkenstocks and ponchos reeking because we haven't rubbed ourselves down in some scented whale blubber. Just as it's your right to be an unwashed self righteous ass, it's other people's right to walk around covered in dead animals. Both are perfectly fine. The selfish thing is going a bit to far. For comparison as to how stupid that argument sounds, I think it's selfish that you kill those defenseless vegetables by pulling them out of the ground when they're just trying to have a good time. Shit, they must be terrified when they feel that evil human hand pluck them out of the dirt. You know what's even more selfish? Thinking that everyone needs to think like you. Honestly, I could care less if you eat meat, don't eat meat, wear fur, or don't wear fur. I don't really care what you believe and I don't give a rat's ass if you think what I'm saying is right. Please be able to look at the world objectively, however, and realize that living things kill other living things. That's how it works. Human beings kill animals and animals kill human beings. Human beings slaughter millions of acres of cotton every year to put clothes on their backs. Cotton is a living thing just like a cow or a mink is a living thing. If you're going to say wearing one type of dead living thing is bad while saying it's acceptable to wear another one, then you are being totally illogical and fooling yourself into some kind of self righteousness that I cannot comprehend.

Dear Cunty Cuntsteins- yes animal hater, that is you,

Guess what - you are an animal. Remember when you were breast fed by your mother- oh ya, that looks just like what an animal looks like when they are being milked. Maybe I can use your skin for gloves this winter after you are clubbed to death while your family members watch. And of course we would take your skin while you are still conscious (minus the vicodin or other narcotic you are shoving in your pie hole)- ahhhh.. a girl can dream.

If your mother didn't care enough to breast feed you- you were drinking some other thing's milk and I'm sorry for your unfortunate infancy and your subsequent intellectual/social deficits. I can get and a IEP together for you- along with those skanky skankerwizers (aka the Olsen trolls).

You may hate PETA, but if you can look at the fur trade objectively you will come to see that the only people that should wear fur are eskimos or pople who cannot afford to buy outerwear in stores. So stop spending your money on the meth/narcotics/xtasy, and you too can afford to buy a coat not made in China that will keep you warm. Remember- only nouvelle rich trash and old women wear fur coats.

chao-

um duh. Joey did awesome work on The Surreal Life. doofus.

in japan, a raccoon dog is called tanuki. (just throwin that out there.)

i watched that entire thing. i must hate myself on levels previously unknown.

FUCK PETA.

FUCK PETA.

111, I'm not an animal hater, I was just saying that I have absolutely no problem with people using animals as they please. Like I said before, I would hope that if an animal is to be consumed, either for food or for clothes, that the process of bringing about it's demise is done in the most humane way possible.

Also, if you want to club me to death in front of my family,skin me, and wear me as gloves, that's your prerogative, but be prepared to go to jail. You see, as a higher form of animals we have developed this wonderful thing called a justice system that would probably lock you up for those actions. Human beings, you must understand, are a different type of animal. We are aware of things that other animals are not. We even have this thing called meta-awareness. In other words, we are aware that we are aware. Animals lack this awesome trait. When they see another of their kind killed for food or clothes they do not really understand what is going on. Any "fear" they have is purely instinctual and passes rather quickly. This biological trait has been instilled in them simply to keep the species going. They have not developed a heightened sense of fear like humans have. Animals also have relatively little concept of what a "family" is, as evidenced by the fact that many animals eat their young or their mate or both. Truly savage, one might say. So you see, there would be a big difference between a mink farmer slaughtering some minks to make a fashionable fur coat than you slaying me. Lower animals are quite inferior to human beings. While they no doubt feel pain, the simple fact that they do does not mean that they should not be used to better humanity. And yes, fur coats are considered by some to better humanity, as hard as that might be to get through the forcefield of intolerance that you have erected around your mind. I am not condoning the methods currently used by the fur trade. Skinning an animal alive is terrible, but it is much less terrible than say the billions of people who go to bed hungry every day or those who are killed because they think that one man was a caliph while some other people think he was not. The point is, there are much more important things in this world that people's attention should be focused on. The deaths of animals is very, very far down on that list. In fact, it's below any human concern, no matter how trivial.

Your comments about who should wear fur are laughable. Your use of moral relativism shows that I should not even bother taking any of your comments seriously. So it's OK for an Inuit to painfully slaughter a seal but an ermine dealer in Tennessee cannot fashion a stylish winter hat out of an animal? Eskimos could change their way of life and adopt modern ways and stop wearing fur for warmth, after all. Why aren't they as evil as those big bad capitalists who like to wear animals? If killing animals brutally in one way is bad, then it is bad in every way. If it's OK in one way, it's OK in every way. You can't have it both ways.

I hope I have shown you that you can make your point without delving to the childish depths of name calling and libel. I am actually quite well educated. I also fancy myself to be rather socially aware on important issues. Your hoi polloi tactics appear to indicate that you are not well adjusted, neither intellectually nor socially. Not to sound crass, but I can confidently say that I am much more intellectual than you. If any of the terms in the above post give you any trouble, you can always use the Internet's greatest gift to the plebs: Wikipedia

P.S. Joe Namath wore fur coats. Joe Namath was pretty awesome. Wearing fur coats is pretty awesome. QED.

P.P.S. If you are going to attempt to speak in a foreign language, please get the orthography correct. It's "nouveau riche" and "ciao" for future reference.

I love fur. I would kill the silky little animals with my own two hands if I I weren't rich and couldn't afford to have small mexican children do it for me. This blog has inspired me to custom order a full length mink coat for no reason at all. Cheers!

I agree with some of PETA's goals, but I think they go far far overboard with imposing their preferences on everyone. Shutting down slaughterhouses that are torturing animals is noble, but then they do crazy publicity stunts that make them look irrational and unbalanced. In a perfect world I guess we wouldn't eat any meat, but unless they want to build a time machine and stop Gorr the Caveman from killing the first squirrel he found, I think they should give up trying to convert everyone to veganism.

Instead of attacking the fast food companies, maybe PETA should focus first on encouraging people to break off from the consumer culture we are in. If McDonald's relied on word of mouth alone they wouldn't be nearly as big and their impact on the environment and the animal population wouldn't be as drastic.

But that's also impossible. If PETA could stick to things most people would agree with and not be crazy then maybe they'd be more respected.

I'm just waiting for them to start attacking alligators for eating birds or crows for feeding on carcasses of dead animals. They're doing what PETA gets mad at people for doing.
Imagine if PETA did for human rights what they do for animal rights. Breaking up child slave rings, prostitution rings and sweatshop facilities. They'd probably be seen as superheroes and everyone would love them. And maybe then people would be more receptive to their message about animals. But of course they would never do that.

It seemed a little clunky, but I liked it okay. I thought Michelle was going to rip the retrievers skin off at the end.

Why didn't Futureman tell Steff she would be a speedfreak with monster hooters and lifeless hair?
http://thesuperficial.com/2007/06/jodie_sweetin_has_massive_clea.php

@104 I thought they looked simian, too. Not so much anymore.

"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
-- Mohandas Gandhi

"If a man aspires towards a righteous life, his first act of abstinence is from injury to animals."
-- Albert Einstein

"I am in favor of animal rights as well as human rights. That is the way of a whole human being."
-- Abraham Lincoln

"The animals of the world exist for their own reasons. They were not made for humans any more than black people were made for white, or women created for men."
--Alice Walker

119-
just because she is a famous writer does not mean that alice walker knows what animals are made for more than i do

abe, i guess i am just a half of a human cause i eat meat?

einstein, i do not aspire towards a righteous goal perhaps? not that many people do... i just want to be comfortable.

the greatness of a nation CAN also be judged by it's revenue, or it's success in war. it depends on who is judging

119-
your quotes aren't amazing, i don't care who they are by.
why don't you think for yourself?
people are different.

Aw, you know you love it.

"the only people that should wear fur are eskimos or pople who cannot afford to buy outerwear in stores."

I'm sorry, here I though that every human being had the same rights as any other...But, apparently I was wrong. ATTENTION, everyone south of the arctic circle! Contrary to popular belief, it NEVER gets cold where you live. After years of living a lie, #111 has enlightened us to the true ways of the world.

You imbecile. It can get just as cold in, say, Ontario of Manitoba, as it does where these "eskimos" live. That being said, why can't those people wear fur? It gets damn cold in Russia, and they aren't eskimos...Are they not allowed to wear fur, either? Apparently, the right to wear fur depends entirely on your race.

You and Dog the Bounty Hunter should get together sometime.

Fur is biodegradable, and a renewable resource.
Synthetics stay on our planet for thousands of years.
Go ahead and tell people to buy plastic boots and purses instead of leather. Let's use more petroleum. Buy more oil-derived products. Write more checks to PETA. They seem to really know how to make good use of that donation money.

122 -- Will you please STOP with the "victimized white man" routine already? PETA protests EVERYONE who kills or hurts animals, even if it is for survival (natives using fisheries in Canada) or cultural (i.e. dolphin hunting in Japan, which that bitch Hayden Pant-a-fuckoff protested).

goddamn idiot.

124, I was merely responding to something someone said. I wasn't chastising PETA; hell, I didn't even mention them in my post.
It might also help you to know that I'm not even white. =D I'm actually Ojibway.
So in the future, it might benefit you to understand what I'm saying, and to whom it is directed.

In the words of the ever so wise...Well, you:

"Goddamn idiot."

120 -- Good for you. Who cares about what those people had to say? Look at the wisdom of the people who do wear fur. Just look at what J-Z has to say about chinchilla coats or J-Lo with her fur collection or Tara Reed, no less. Great minds think alike. Plus, Gandhi probably would have worn fur if it wasn't so hot in India and Einstein should have stuck to physics and stayed out of matters like fur fashion. He was clearly in over his head.

The line "the greatness of a nation can also be judged by its revenue, or its success in war." is brilliant. Luxemburg with the highest per capita GNI is to be envied and admired. And Germany was so successful at war that it took many countries banding together to defeat it. How can you not admire that?

"get real", wow! Your post is so full of holes and violations of common sense that I can hardly choose where to begin. Not that it really matters. You tell others to "view the world objectively" while you yourself prefer to wear horseblinders and declare that you "don't give a rat's ass if what [you're] saying is right." But I'll give it a go anyway.. This Fish entry is moot and past-tense to most everyone, so I'll try and keep it short:

- What good does it do to generalize animal welfare advocates as stinky hippies except to villify them? I mean, seriously. Birkenstocks and ponchos? Where the fuck do you live? I've taken part in animal welfare campaigns for years, and I never see that shit. Oh, I know. It's a stereotype you so conveniently allude to.

- There's a lot of shit humans had done for years that are now considered deplorable, unnecessary, grotesque, etc. The Ancient Greeks sodomozed young boys. Medieval members of the Catholic church quartered some excommunicants so they wouldn't rise on the last day. People were publically hanged and decapitated in many countries. Public lynchings in the South. We live in a Country that once thrived on legally enslaving blacks. By your rational, all this shit most be kosher, eh?

- Yeah I know, the knee-jerk reaction is to differentiate animals from humans again. I agree. Very different. Men sentenced to death know what's happening to them. Animals "pulled from their cages" don't. No argument there. We're different from animals because we men and women possess a highly developed, discerning conscience. But Job, the only Biblical patriarch who was really worth a shit said that we're the same because we live on the same fucking planet, breathe the same air, have the capacity to feel physical and psycological pain. If you don't think so, next time you see somoene walking their dog, shove a knife in its side. Watch it faulter, cower to its owner for protection. As for animals killing other animals, the chief difference between us and them is that we thrive mostly on social conditioning (i.e. no more slave ships), and they thrive on instict. That. Is. The. Chief. Fucking. Difference.

- But again, we're different because we live in so-called civilized societies where we can discern right from wrong, and it's this that gives us the privelege to kill whatever we want, almost for whatever reason, for our own purposes. Even when there are sensible alternatives that are homologous with things like global warming, the issues of hyper-consumption and waste. Oh, look! Issues that take massive precedence in today's political, ethical and social discourse. I wonder what will be said of our habits 200 years from now.

- Plants possess neither neurological faculties or central nervous systems. Surely you know that. What a ridiculous, flippant argument.

Here's what you're going to be in a thousand years, although I hope it's sooner: you're going to be a figure in a fucking history book that just baffles young minds. "How could these people think this way?" You have good spelling, good grammar. You were probably paying attention in class. But it's all going to change. I don't know that because I'm smarter than you, or "more evolved" in a Darwinian sense. I love a new purchase myself, I like porn, I drive a nice car. But systematically killing on a massive scale? Man or animal, it's dispicable. It's an ethical evolution, but you just want to cop an attitude, genralize and let everyone know that you don't give a fuck. Well fucking kudos to you.

"get real", I just read the second post that I didn't see before, so let me offer something further that I promise will be short this time:

What do you think people fighting for animal welfare should be focused on instead? Should we re-direct our efforts to, say, ending all wars? Do you think the time and energy we devote to this cause would finally do the trick? After all, "we're a higher form of animals", so maybe my efforts are misplaced. Maybe after we get the bring the crazy animal people brigade together and fight for humanity and ultimately achieve world peace, then we could go back to focusing on the mistreatment of species who didn't ask for any of this shit in the first place.

And please don't pull the education card on people. This is an open forum. Being a pompous grad student or whatever you are only serves to agitate, or at least stroke your own ego.

When I was younger, it was fairly common to see ladies of means with fur coats draped over their shoulders. The fur would be worn over anything: a formal gown, jeans, or stirrup pants. It was as if though you could never go wrong wearing fur. Slowly, this became a less frequent sight. Younger generations became aware of the inherent cruelty of the fur industry and fur stopped being the status symbol it once was. The fur industry along with the fashion world were financially affected by all this and are now using certain ignorant sellout celebrities to bring it back into style and influence future generations. This is exactly what the tobacco and the diamond industry had done in the past.

People who say that they are not against killing animals for fur as long as it is done humanely simply don't understand the nature of the business. Most of the fur comes from China where humane treatment of animals doesn't exist. Some of the fur comes from dogs and cats and is purposely mislabeled. That is way many European countries banned fur from China. Some of it comes from actual pets that have been abducted and are wearing collars and tags as they are skinned. All of it comes from animals that have been living in horrible conditions and died a painful death. You may not like PETA or their tactics, but remember that the enemy of your enemy is not your friend. Don't lower your own moral standards by defending an industry that is indefensible.

126
no where in 120 did it say we should listen to people who wear fur.
just because someone doesn't wear fur doesn't mean we should listen to them either. i don't think that charles manson wore fur.
just because someone excels at something doesn't mean that people should follow what they do and do exactly as they say in every area.

you CAN judge the greatness of a country on many things.

albert, i guess you aren't that smart after all.
it is nouveau riche. nouvelle would be singular female

and 120 was smart, 126 did not interpret the comments correctly.
FDR wore fur, and he was maybe worth listening to.
George Bush doesn't wear fur.
120 didn't say to listen to Jay Z.

a country's greatness can be judged in a variety of ways, some people can judge the greatness based on something YOU don't think is great.

128 -
the animals didn't ask to be taken care of either.

other causes:
funding for disease research
raising money for the poor
reducing teen pregnancy
increasing availability of a college education
decreasing illiteracy
assisting people who are out of work in finding jobs
protecting the environment
promoting health and nutritional awareness

I agree that animals shouldn't be tortured. However, fur coats are a means of staying warm. Yes, a lot of rich people see it more as just a fashion statement, but for a lot of other people it's the warmest outerwear available. No winter coat that you can buy in any outerwear store can even compare to the warmth of a fur coat. Now, that being said, if they are going to kill the animals for their fur, the meat and the rest of it should also be used, too. Most people won't agree, saying that doesn't excuse the slaughter of the animal in the first place, but I believe that as long as no part of the animal is wasted, then it's...Well, not "Ok", but acceptable...I suppose.

As for eating animals...Stopping everyone in the world from doing this is completely unrealistic. People have been eating meat for thousands of years, and this isn't going to change. Think of it this way: Do you think a grizzly bear would pause before killing you to wonder if it was ethical or not? Some animals will kill humans, and then have nothing to do with the carcass. They will just walk away. That seems pretty cruel to me, but no one advocates the cruelty of animals towards humans. Asking humans to stop eating animals, is like asking animals to stop eating eachother. You can't convince a wolf to stop eating deer. Humans are stubborn, it's our curse. We've been doing things one way for so many years, that doing it another way is completely out of the question for about 99% of the world.

I'm not trying to turn it around, saying that us humans are the victims, I'm just giving an example. Personally, I think that PETA and all other animal rights activists have a noble and respectable cause, but I also think their efforts are futile.

Sorry for the lengthy post, I guess I had more to say than anyone wants to hear.

everyonepoops, can you read or understand a nuanced argument (not even really nuanced but actually pretty straightforward)?

First, I said I don't care if people believe what I say. I would not say that I'm "wearing horseblinders" as you say. I realize that people have different opinions and I'm willing to engage them in intelligent discourse. I would like to thank you for taking me to task on what you see as problems in my argument, but I see your response as pretty flawed as well.

The hippie thing was a joke. No intention of vilification, just a joke.

I said that moral relativism is utter crap. Therefore, I do not think that the methods of the Inquisition, lynching people, were acceptable. You cannot pick and choose had is wrong and right based on some perceived notion of "the times." I was pointing out the fallacy in another person's argument when they said it was OK for the Inuit to wear fur but it's not OK for everyone else. If it's OK for one group of people to slaughter animals for their pelts then it's OK for everyone. If it's not OK for us enlightened people to kill animals, then it is not OK for the Inuit to do so. It leads to moral bankruptcy as you can rationalize any behavior by saying, "Oh no, that's not wrong, you have to look at the circumstances and what the person was dealing with."

I agree that the difference between humans and animals is that we thrive on something besides instinct.

The very term "animal rights" is oxymoronic. In order to have rights you have to know that you have the ability to have rights. Animals will never have that ability. Every human has the possibility to know that they have rights. A newborn will someday have the ability. A severely retarded person might have that ability some day even if that chance is extremely remote. No animal will ever have the ability to think, "You know what? I'm getting screwed here working in the lab getting makeup put on me." It will never happen. Therefore, animals have no rights. Still, they should not be tortured. The point is that they should not be put before ANY human interest. Call me a speciesist if you want. I am one.

Also, saying to keep the education card out of the deck is ridiculous. This is a debate on philosophy, morals, ethics, etc. I have studied and engaged others on such topics in great detail, so I'm going to use my past experience and tell where I got it from. Telling me not to because this is an "open forum" is like telling Dwayne Wade not to dunk because he's playing in a pickup game. There is no need to put limits on anything.

What the animal rights activists are asking people to do is to not purchase fur. Since NOT shopping for fur is less time consuming than actually shopping for fur, you will have plenty of time and energy left over for your worthy causes. You can easily multitask NOT buying fur with any of them. As far as animal rights being a low priority and the suggestion that we should end world hunger and disease first, then why catch rapists until you solve all the murders, why address illiteracy when there are people starving in the world, why look for a cure for foot fungus when people die of cancer? Maybe it's because we are are capable of doing more than one thing at a time. And maybe it's because choosing a coat with no fur trim is less complicated than bringing about world peace.

"get real", it's pretty clear that we're not so different. We'd do better to disagree--or at least agree to disagree--after what I believe would be a worthwhile discussion elsewhere. Newspapers around the US are polling readers for "word of the year." I'm sure "Mudslinging" has considerable prospects to win. I think it's great that we're both culpable of such a charge (don't you agree that we are?). While being saucy with an opinion is frowned on by the academies, it accords young people who are excepional, if for no other reason than because they stand by what they say in the first place. Of all the places I'd predict to win the respect of someone I'd never met in the flesh, The Fish is about the last. Cheers to that.

P.S. You know damn well what I'm talking about when I refer to the education card.

What I meant was, "...of all the places where someone I've never met in the flesh would win my respect..." Here I am trying to be sincere, and I fuck it up.

everyonepoops, I was being quite flippant with that last education comment haha. I agree that there's really no point in arguing about something like this any further as it's quite clear that no one is going to change anyone's opinion. Anyway, I apologize if I came off as a bit scathing as some of my comments. I was bemused by some of the statements that other people were making and focusing my disdain on your post haha. Anyway, I'm glad that I would win your respect, as you would have mine as well.

PETA needs to get the fukc out of everyone's business. I have no respect for organizations that try to force their views on others by making up parodies of people.

PETA Blows

Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen have no right's peta CAN fuck there life's! animal's
didn't have to go through shit being skinned alive to make fur coats that will me rorn by ugly whore's like Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen
FUR IS DEAD!!!! "Fur Is Worn by Beautiful Animals and Ugly People!

Uhhh... what the fuck was that. Im sorry but that was so terrible! Couldnt Peta find a decent actor at least, and what good are they doing by telling the parent to kick the 4 year old out of the house. What if a member from Petas organization had a child who wore fur? Would they disown them because of it? I love animals but i dont think that they have to go that far with their fur saving crusades. All the olsens are doing is wearing the fur, they dont handpick and slaughter the animals themselves!!!

Trying to save animals by acting like assholes isnt going to get you anywhere except in the courtroom when you get sued. Maybe if Peta didnt act like children and actually just talk about their cause rather than pick on other people I might consider supporting them.

LOL PETA KILLS ANIMALS MORONS
go look it up on any anti peta site
I am all for animal rights but I am totally against peta!!!

peta sucks. they care nothing about animals.